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ParticipantWell I just loaded up images of both of them to stare at, and the control layouts really aren’t all that different – so nothing to overwhelm you more so on one than the other.
That takes the debate to hardware: I’ve only quickly touched an SB (1 not 2) and while it was solid, it was clearly an entry level product. The 4000 (which I have not touched, so this is based on reviews only) is built like a tank (as pretty much all Denon controllers are). That’s one point for the Denon.
Inputs & Outputs: Denon kicks the SB hard here. Absolutely no competition. Balanced master outs, balanced booth outs, aux input, dual mics. You may not need these right now, but you could take this controller and plug it into any top-of-the-line system without issue. Trust me, more output options is always better. Always. So that’s another point for Denon.
Basically, unless there is something you really, really like on the SB2 control surface, the Denon looks like a better, more useful product from where I’m sitting.
November 20, 2015 at 9:12 pm in reply to: Sensations on a midi controller ? Internal mixer and sound ? #2302941Todd Oddity
ParticipantTerry, it’s not the quality/loudness of the output from the software but the loss of the extra layer of gain staging.
Using the internal mixer:
software gain adjust -> main systemUsing the external mixer:
software gain adjust -> mixer gain adjust -> main systemIt’s just one little extra layer of control over your sound input, but depending on what you are plugging into, it can make a difference. Whether or not that difference is enough to justify the extra work in going modular v. all-in-one, now that is an entirely debatable subject! To some it will be, to some it won’t.
Vintage, I have to disagree with how “stand-alone” is now being defined by reviewers and manufacturers. Early days, that would mean a full hardware mixer inside the unit with the computer just sending a full signal for all decks (a la Denon MC6000 mk 1 on int mode), then it started getting used for units that forced you to use a software mixer but could hardware mix external sources (a la Denon MC6000 mk2). Finding a new all-in-one with true stand-alone mixer functions is next to impossible. I totally understand why things have gone that way, but it’s a loss to the marketplace in my opinion. I’d like to see more review sites call it out.
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Participant^ I hear DJs say that a lot, but I’ve always matched my hip-hop sets.
If you have the fundamentals of mixing down, then hip-hop is really no different. Grab a few tracks that are the in the same bpm range, and just watch not to accidentally overlap your lyrics.
November 19, 2015 at 5:40 am in reply to: Sensations on a midi controller ? Internal mixer and sound ? #2300601Todd Oddity
ParticipantI can kind of see what you are getting at. I use a separate mixer in my setup too. I find generally there is more headroom on a hardware mixer than if you are mixing inside the software, and that can lead to better gain staging and, in theory, a slightly improved sound output. While I doubt most people hear that in the end, I notice the difference.
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ParticipantSadly yes, SC2000s have been discontinued. Great little units. I found a warehouse down near Atlanta this year that had a bunch at ridiculously discounted prices (I think I got them at $99 a pop). I bought them all and had them shipped to me – now I have a lifetime supply. I feel like such a hoarder. lol
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Participant“what is the difference between a hot cue vs cue point?”
When you hit a hot cue button, the track jumps to that point and plays.
When you hit a regular cue button, the track jumps to that point and pauses there until you hit the play button.
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Participant“In both vinyl days, records and CDs would often be in less than optimal places, having you (me for sure) with your side or back to the audience while digging through the crates.”
Ding, ding, ding! THIS!
Exactly, people need to worry a little less about “Serato Face”. I mean I get it – looking for a track on your laptop is about as visually exciting as reading through your emails. But rummaging around through my binders of CDs trying to find the next track had my back to the crowd, sometimes for a few minutes at a time. If I’m looking at the screen, it’s because I’m doing something. DJs shouldn’t have to apologise for looking like they are actually working instead of dancing around.
But I digress…
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Participantlol – I also mix with the upfaders. The crossfader closed issue used to catch me every now and then, which is why “thru” routing is now a mandatory feature on any mixer I buy (why no thru Pioneer S9, WHY?!?).
I catch myself on the filter cranked to kill every now and then, and as I don’t have effects routed through my cue channels I tend to notice it too late. But lately, and a few times more than I’d like to admit, I do the dumbest thing and will wonder why the sound is out-of-whack, only to realise I forgot to turn up the low eq which I had dialed down for the last mix. Oops! bahahaha
FYI: Useful trick to stop yourself from stopping the wrong deck – always stop a track with pause, not cue (so if it is the wrong deck, you keep on going from where you are, not from the beginning) and keep your other hand on the fader. I never stop a track without my other hand sitting there on the closed fader to make sure I don’t bugger it up. Oh, and I have load lock enabled too for when I’m just determined to screw everything up! ha
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ParticipantYes, I also have to disagree with “more responsive” bit.
While that case can be made for some high end gear that uses HID with the software it is designed for versus basic midi on other packages (ie. NI gear on Traktor vs on other software), or has controls tailored specifically for one software package (ie. buttons for Serato’s Flip), there is nothing on the Mixtrack 3 that isn’t a one-to-one map with other software packages, and the controller itself (unless I’ve missed something) is just a straight up midi-box. That means with proper mappers, it can work with anything on equal footing.
So it comes down to costs to upgrade software, what kind of workflow you want, and ultimately, what you are comfortable using.
Despite some of the bias above, none win “hands down” and there aren’t a lot of advantages with one package over the other these days until you start getting into the really advanced stuff.
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Participant…IF…
…you’re going to go modular, better mixer for sure. Everything else is basically acting as a big controller. The mixer is the heart of all the sound and mixing and everything that matters.
BUT…
…as you’re about to hear from others, there are absolutely no advantages to going the CDJ route over the controller route in this day and age. All of this stuff gets expensive quickly. Don’t buy things because you think they make you “look more professional”. Buy things because you have a use for them, and they will enhance your sets. That’s what makes you more professional.
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ParticipantThe USB to analogue conversion will be happening regardless, so no need to worry much about that as long as you are using a solid sound card (someone correct me if I’m wrong, but the NI-A2 should be just fine).
With regards to the cables, yes – in theory the more adaptors/junctions/conversions you have to put into a line, there can be sound degradation, however it isn’t likely to be anything noticeable on a very short run and on the grade of speakers we’re talking about here – so don’t worry about it either.
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ParticipantHa – ya, I built an inverter system once and just about burned my house down. I feel your pain there. The boxes I’m thinking of are pretty compact and I’ve seen them on sale for under $200 – so keep your eyes open for sales, they do happen! Good luck.
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ParticipantI think you’re going about this the wrong way. Forget about trying to find USB powered equipment and just invest in a portable power box. Plug everything in via normal AC cords and use whatever gear you want. I know I’ve heard of wedding guys running full PA off the rechargeable power boxes for ceremonies and such, so if you aren’t trying to run amps you should be able to get more than enough juice out of one to last as long as you need.
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ParticipantFew thoughts for you…
I’ve been using Denon gear for years, and it’s all rock solid, BUT… there are strong rumblings that the new overlords at inMusic are about to pull the plug on the 2900 model, and there have been no further updates to Denon’s Engine software, so I would have some reservations about buying into that system right now.
You say you don’t like the feel of the jogs on the XDJ-700 – where have you touched one? They’re not due for release until the end of the year. I’m expecting the jog to feel very much like the XDJ-RX so I’m curious about what you didn’t like about them?
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ParticipantAn important question to ask yourself…
Do you want something for producing, for general listening at home, or for playing out?
These tasks will generally require a different type of speaker, and compromises will be made if it checks off two or more of these categories.Haven’t heard the Pioneers personally, so can’t comment, but the KRKs are seriously bass heavy (probably why so many DJs love them). This makes them better for listening to playback than for producing as you would have a hard time getting accurate (flat) sound out of them.
That said, studio monitors are an immensely personal choice, because every speaker has a unique sound, and every room has unique acoustics. Always good to try and find somewhere to listen to them, and then to buy them from somewhere that will let you exchange should you get them home and not like how they sound in your space. I fully expected to buy KRKs when I went shopping, but ended up going in a totally different direction.
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