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August 3, 2012 at 6:22 am in reply to: Is counting to 8 instead of 4 in your beat counting wrong? #1009148
synthet1c
Memberdo you do it drummer style?
1 – E – & – A – 2 – E – & – A -[COLOR=#c0c0c0] 3 – E – & – A – 4 – E – & – A[/COLOR]
Or count to 8?
synthet1c
MemberSorry I’m comparing it to having no restrictions, you can do a lot in trakor just not as much as VDJ, when talking about restrictions I also mean new software features will be added, but control of those functions will probably be locked to hardware.
The other main concern is jog wheels which would be as easy as adding another attribute to tell the program the tics per revolution, they have not done this and I don’t expect it to change as it would make competitors hardware which is generally better quality more appealing.
synthet1c
MemberProbably makes it more accessible for beginners and that is their main market now that the digital djing has exploded in popularity. I wouldn’t expect it to change any time soon. On the contrary I’d expect mapping to slowly become more restrictive as NI cut their income by 60% recently so will probably make up to loss with more modular hardware like the F1.
synthet1c
Membernow you need to use midi trace (link above) to find out the midi locations for the controls. when you move a control it will display the raw midi data. for a button it will be two lines like this
9[COLOR=#ff0000]1[/COLOR] 1A 7F 00
8[COLOR=#ff0000]1[/COLOR] 1A 00 00All you are concerned with is the red number which is the midi channel and the blue numbers which is the midi number
this is the first of the controls defined
<button note="0x35” name=”CRATES” channel=”0” />if you got the top result you would change it to
<button note="0x1A” name=”CRATES” channel=”1” />absolute sliders and knobs will generally send out 128 CC messages so that many lines of raw midi data will show in miditrace, but it is the same parts you are concerned with. the green number is incremental and not important for this.
…etc
B[COLOR=#ff0000]4[/COLOR] 3B [COLOR=#339966]17 00[/COLOR]
B[COLOR=#ff0000]4[/COLOR] 3B [COLOR=#339966]18 00[/COLOR]
B[COLOR=#ff0000]4[/COLOR] 3B [COLOR=#339966]19 00[/COLOR]
B[COLOR=#ff0000]4[/COLOR] 3B [COLOR=#339966]1A 00[/COLOR]
B[COLOR=#ff0000]4[/COLOR] 3B [COLOR=#339966]1B 00[/COLOR]
B[COLOR=#ff0000]4[/COLOR] 3B [COLOR=#339966]1C 00[/COLOR]
etc…[COLOR=#000000]this is the first slider in the definition [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000] <slider cc="0x[COLOR=#0000ff]33” name=”HEADPHONE_MIX” channel=”0” />[/COLOR][/COLOR]If you got the above result you would change it to
[COLOR=#000000] <slider cc="0x[COLOR=#0000ff]3B” name=”HEADPHONE_MIX” channel=”4” />[/COLOR][/COLOR]Be advised this will only work if the device line and everything in it is correct & there can be no mistakes with XML, every attribute must be opened and closed with “quotation marks” or it wont work. if all the midi messages are the same then that is where the problem lies. You should start with only a few controls then make sure they work before proceeding with the rest of the definition.
If you use notepad++ it can pick up errors and highlight them for you.
http://notepad-plus-plus.org/synthet1c
Memberthat’s the wrong hardware ID… you are looking for the hardware ID of the TM2, that is for something that connects to a PCI slot on the motherboard.
you could also dpwnload the definer tool to get all the id’s, its in the tools section of the vdj forum.
http://www.virtualdj.com/addons/12994/VDJ_MIDI_Controll_Definer.html
synthet1c
Membersynthet1c
MemberNo worries Terry, but this is the short version LOL
synthet1c
MemberI gave you an in depth answer in one of your other threads, but it looks like Terry must have deleted it by accident…
In short you map jogs with the following for “simple midi”.
param_smaller 50% ? deck left touchwheel –0.05% : deck left touchwheel +0.05%
param_smaller 50% ? deck right touchwheel –0.05% : deck right touchwheel +0.05%you can change the percentage value to change the sensitivity.
You are better off creating a >>definition file<< though as you will get full resolution of the pitch faders & jogs and get the use of the LED’s. Mapping is also quicker and easier when properly defined as you don’t need to map everything separately.
the filter and any other control can be allocated to a deck with
deck 1 filter
deck 2 volume
deck 3 eq_high
deck 4 eq_low
deck left eq_mid
deck right gain
etc…The syntax is all in the >>VDJScript wiki<< have a read of it.
You should try to avoid creating multiple threads in future so you don’t lose valuable information tailored to your situation.
synthet1c
Memberdon’t worry about the plastic look of the N4, worry about the plastic construction and cheaper components than the reloop.
For $100 you are getting peace of mind that you can get rough with your controller and have it stand up to the abuse. the N4 cannot boast the same way, and will inevitably need replacing within a year the same as any mixtrack if your not gentile.
The Original Mixdeck you will most likely find annoying due to the mixer section being analogue only (not midi), and the mixdeck quad is not designed to control 4 decks in software, only two with two separate analogue inputs, although you could potentially bypass the on board analogue mixer and make it control 4 decks as the mixer does send midi, but there is no support from numark, serato or atomix to make this happen.
If you have the coin you are better off getting an NS6/4track if you have to get Numark gear, Used & factory seconds are pretty reasonably priced, but you miss out on a warranty, and the NS6 doesn’t have the tra”k”ditional 4 knob, 4 button effect section if that is what you are after.
synthet1c
Memberyour best bet is to download the Terminal mix 4 mapping from the VDJ Forum and make some small changes to make it work with the TM2. You will need VDJ Pro to download mappers.
[the picture is a link]
Reloop Terminal Mix 4 1.0
Author: jpboggis
Aside from that you have two choices…
1. you can create your own definition file so VDJ recognises the device and you can use all of the controls with full resolution and make the LED’s work. http://www.virtualdj.com/wiki/Controller_Definition.html
2. You can use the “simple midi wrapper” to map your controller with basic functionality excluding any non standard midi messages and LED’s. Using this method you will need to allocate a deck focus for every script and map both sides of the controller eg
deck left play_pause
deck 1 cue_stop
deck 2 eq_high
deck right eq_low
deck 3 eq_mid
deck 4 volumeFor encoders in “simple midi” you must use the following formula
param_smaller 50% ? action if counter clockwise modifier : action if clockwise modifier**the modifier can be an integer or percentage value**
So for your example of a touch sensitive jogwheel it’s
param_smaller 50% ? touchwheel –0.05% : touchwheel +0.05%
**change the modifier value to change the sensitivity, and don’t forget to allocate a deck it should operate on in the mapping**
synthet1c
Memberin vdj anything that can move can be mapped with a simple modifier after the name of the control you want to move, eg…
deck # control +/-##%
deck 1 effect “cut” slider 1 +10%
deck 1 effect “cut” slider 1 –10%deck left volume +10%
deck left volume –10%deck 2 eq_high +10%
deck 2 eq_high –10%deck right eq_mid +10%
deck right eq_mid –10%etc…
synthet1c
Memberdon’t know… you will need to contact support I guess… but try the latency first
synthet1c
Memberclockwise, post: 25030, member: 2142 wrote: Is VDJ more intuitive?
Not really as it is done in script so you can’t press a button to choose a verb, you need to write it out, but it’s not complicated and there are no limits like in traktor so you can have 100’s of modifiers instead of 8, and you can do things like scale sliders and trigger buttons in certain regions to make super knobs, or automate buttons while they are pressed. Hopefully with the pairing of djdecks we can do even more like quantise anything to the grid & use real timed automation that doesn’t rely on human interaction to stop.
VDJ7 already puts mapping in traktor to shame, VDJ8 is going to be even better as the annoyance of the eq will finally be fixed and hopefully the terrible standard effects are cleaned up as that is now the main focus of the digital dj industry. I think the default skin will remain unfortunately, but the floating windows should be a good addition… For skinners our toolkit will get larger as well so can make cleaner looking skins with more options and layer different things to use space more efficiently. Hopefully they build in SVG “scalable vector graphics” as they look absolutely stunning compared to pixelated graphics we currently have to use, much harder to create though…
synthet1c
MemberI start with a clean slate every time, then map everything exactly the way I want.
Also in regard to your comment about mapping crashing your software, It is impossible so get in there and have a play around.
I started by mapping 32 hot cues to my MPD24 that I could use to jump around cues in blues tracks to tap out hip hop intro’s after seeing equilibrum on youtube doing it a couple of years ago. then figured out how to shift to delete, after that I figured out how to set all the cues throughout the track with one button press and return to the position I pressed it, it all happened instantly using a macro command…. after that I figured out how to change the distance the cues would be set dependant on the size of the loop select, so I could set cues in a track on the fly while it was playing… I took it one step further and wanted to be able to move the cues to put them on the beatgrid, so did that…. then wanted to be able to change between having the cues 1/4, 1/2 or 1 beat apart so with a little maths achieved that so if I have set them the incorrect size I can change it on the fly while the track is playing… On and on I kept going as it is very rewarding to be able to do these sorts of things as they pop into your head.
Now I’m somewhat addicted having mapped and remapped all of my controllers many times over as I discovered new things and though up different ways of utilising mapping. It’s pretty much to the point where I can fluently and coherently write in VDJScript without needing any reference to any verb lists or descriptions and it’s still fun to stretch the imagination and come up with new things. This is the real benefit of digital djing to me and if you don’t use these tools to their potential you may as well stick with CDJ’s and a mixer because that is all factory maps ever try to emulate.
synthet1c
MemberI would think you could map the very same effects to the touchstrip of the twitch only with more precision as they both send a message when touched and released to trigger an effect on/off, but only the twitch can send absolute messages so you can press anywhere in the touchstrip and activate the effect or chain of effects at that intensity, with a jog wheel you’re at the mercy of an absolute encoder which can only gradually increase or decrease a parameter in software, and if you use modifiers the sliders you are controlling, the effect sliders move relatively so will not move back to where you started. plus on the twitch you have more buttons that you can use to shift the action of the touchstrip. and Two leds giving three colors of the grid for an easy way to tell what shift is enabled.
The only limit is traktors 8 modifiers, so you would probably have to shift the touchpad with the grid below it, still it would be better if traktor had at least 4 more modifiers to play with…
the only other thing twitch is lacking is the extra 4 effects knobs, but it is rare you would find yourself wanting to use two effects units at the same time, although there goes 2 more modifiers to shift the effect unit which leaves you only 6 to shift the touchpad. which you wouldn’t want to use them all for…
Also twitch comes with itch so would make it cheaper for the upgrade if/when serato opens up… But best of all It has been mapped by a user to VDJ Pro in full HID so you could really make it do some amazing things not possible in itch or traktor with some clever mapping as there are no software restrictions holding your imagination back, and much more control over the way you are mapping.
Also just found out that twitch has 2 modes for the touchstrip, absolute and relative (like a jog/endless encoder) I kind of want one now LOL, if only the faders weren’t plasticy feeling and the crossfader was better it would be a perfect edition to my turntables… Oh well twitch 2.0 might be better if they ever make one or get a miinnofader to fit
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