Sumir
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Sumir
Memberatom12v, post: 14583, member: 1423 wrote: To all the “Old school” It’s 2012 people, technology era. And enough with the “you ain’t a dj if you don’t use vinyl” and “you need to respect what my generation and the one before me did” get over it. We “digital dj” do a lot more that what you guys can do with 2 pieces of static noise making vinyl. A dj is the one that’s make the crowd go the dance floor.
Primary example of what “we” talk about, good luck out there…
MemberKairi_Yamoto, post: 14561, member: 1141 wrote: I don’t feel that all of today’s generation is misguided though, even though I myself am included in today’s generation, lol. In my opinion, not all of us are out to be the next big thing, make money, and all that success that may or may not come with it. We introduce our passion and heart into what we do by what we play, and how it moves US, as well as the crowd. The crowd can be going absolutely nuts for what’s playing, but if the guy is in the booth staring at his screen, not even moving to his own tunes…he’s either got the best focus in the world, or he has no passion for it.
With the increase in technology, and ease in which one can get started as a DJ, you can get lost in translation, but those that are truly passionate about their craft will pay respect to those that did it before the technology made it easy to do so, and keep that same spirit alive that a DJ brings about, which to me, is bringing about a good time. Technology can make it simpler to do what you have done in the past, but that doesn’t mean everyone new is out to take shortcuts in getting to the same result. A lot of digital dj’s (at least here, lol) want to learn how to beatmatch manually, seamlessly switch between different genres, broaden their musical palates, so that their mixes and creations better reflect them, as a person.
I’ve been doing this for roughly….a month now. Even in a year, I probably won’t be in a rush to get a gig, I want to take that much time learning how to mix, bringing my own flavor and personal style into this, using the technology available to me to the best of my ability, putting my heart and feeling into it, so that if (or when) I decide to put my knowledge to the test in front of a crowd, I’ll feel as at home as possible educating and entertaining them with what I can do, and entertaining myself in the process.
Money? I’ll keep my day job, if it ever gets to the point that this IS my day job, awesome.
Fame? Hey, we all wanna be known, leave our mark somewhere, that’s just an undeniable fact.The arguments of past vs present/future can go on for days, but whether you’re using vinyl, cd’s, dvs, or digital controllers, or two garbage cans and sticks, like you said, it’s about bringing people together, and a good time.
In a sense, I agree with you, that today’s DJ’s are out for themselves…but can’t the same be true for the past?
You’re there to make a crowd move, but if you’re not moving yourself…where’s the fun in that? The crowd can be going absolutely nuts, but if you’re just motionless in the booth…..you might as well just bring in a radio.If, however, the crowd is moving, and I take a look in the booth, and the DJ is going nuts his/herself, jumping around and acting a fool….passion, heart, all that good stuff, lol.
Just my two…five cents, and maybe it’s sorta off topic, lol, forgive me, I’m new. >.>
Nice. Your humility and honesty are plain to see, I commend ya for that brother/sister. For sure it doesn’t matter which medium the DJ uses. Obviously not many would be interested in using vinyl (if they haven’t before). And yes, not every single person who wants to be a DJ today can be painted with the same brush. You’re an obvious example of that. We had plenty of DJ’s who went at things the wrong way in my day, no doubt. In the end the DJ will have the type of crowd gather around him or her , that mirrors their take on things. The DJ’s I admired and loved , had a following of kids that echoed their message, if if they didn’t know it yet . Those artists brought it out of them. The other DJ’s of my time, that approached things in a selfish manner. Well I know for a fact some of those guys washed away. People who are in it for the love , stay the course..be it the groovers on the floor, or the DJ’s working the floor. I’ve watched everyone else dry up and fade away. Some years from now , if I’m still alive..I’m sure I’ll be able to say the same for this time period. You my friend, stand out and exemplify what it is all about, much love to ya
MemberD-Jam, post: 14546, member: 3 wrote: I watched the whole video…and I agree wholeheartedly.
I especially agree with the moral of the story as Iceman stated…use what you like, do what you like, but respect everyone. That means sync users should respect those who willingly choose to use manual, and manual should not harp on sync users simply because this is the new era of it all.
I’ve said it before. I’ve been using sync many times with mixes I’ve been recording, but even on Torq where it will know what the first beat of a measure is, it’s not perfect. Lord knows even how much worse a beatgrid can get if the song fluctuates in pitch or things aren’t set on a perfect 32-beat per phrase structure (4 beats in a bar, 8 bars in a line of music).
PLUS…I still have to know WHEN to drop in a tune and BLEND IT. The stuff with the faders and EQs.
I understand what people like Sumir feel, and I respect him for his choice…but let’s be brutally honest here:
- Cheap promoters and managers exist and aren’t going away…and that means kids with pirated software, pirated music, and sync buttons will blag their way into a residency while experienced and possibly talented DJs are left in the cold.
- Like Iceman said…the crowd doesn’t care…and they won’t ever. So all the fantasies and desires of a crowd laughing at or rejecting a laptop or midi DJ isn’t going to happen. I’ve seen enough images on the net lately making fun of Guetta’s production skills and DJ skills. Guess what? He’ll still pack an auditorium while you struggle to get 10 people out to your event. Wow the crowds with your set as a whole…not the exact technique you use. A chef wows you with the final dish…not drags you into the kitchen to make you “appreciate” how he cooked it.
- Sync isn’t going anywhere, and the fantasy of an industry-wide ban on it won’t happen. Deal with it. We see the software makers continue to improve and improve on their sync functions…as opposed to reject them. Maybe Serato Scratch Live will keep sync out, but those who want sync and Serato will just get ITCH.
Every time I see a DJ lament on the new technology, I usually will think he just doesn’t get it on what makes a DJ a DJ. He still thinks it’s all about 12″ pieces of vinyl plastic and manually matching beats. It’s astounding how many of those particular guys I see now who can’t get a gig to save their lives. They’re the same ones who want to come in and dictate what the crowd should hear. They’re the ones who act like it’s a mortal sin when a club doesn’t have 1200s hooked up. Give me a break.
I find it amusing that Iceman and I, two OLD SCHOOL DJs, seemingly have little issue with this compared to many DJs who started up later and go on and on about this.
I’ve been working on my own articles for my blog, calling them “The great debate”. When I get to sync I’m going to post a link to Iceman’s video…just to prove the point.I think you should understand , I started getting gigs in 1990. I first touched vinyl 2-3 years before that, and spent that time learning to mix. It’s an insult and a joke when someone has the audacity to over simplify , and take the passion out of what my generation, and those before me worked our asses off to build. There is no meaning left in ti what so ever, no message. The only concern I see from today’s wanna be DJ’s , is for themselves. We did it to bring people together (I don’t know about you, your message seems to float in some other direction..but who knows), unity and an open place to get away from our society built lives. No need to put “old school DJ’s” in all caps, and accentuate yourself there. I’ll never agree with the approach today’s generation takes. I do not see any heart or soul or depth behind it.
MemberI like yer first idea “Dj Name Nightmare” lol
MemberDj iceman, post: 14499, member: 187 wrote: then you missed the whole point of the video!!
I got the point..today’s generation of wanna bes lack what we had..I’ve ranted before , not going at it all over again now. Can sum it (them) up with three words “lazy, misguided, egotistical”
February 7, 2012 at 11:24 pm in reply to: neurologic-im skint in ibiza(watching the sun in mambo mix) #14432Memberk will do, im “reclaimyourhousenation” over there
February 7, 2012 at 11:15 pm in reply to: neurologic-im skint in ibiza(watching the sun in mambo mix) #14430Member..alrighty got back to this. I joined that site so I could download your mix. I’ll take it on the road with me, so tune in w/out distraction. hang tite..
MemberDj iceman, post: 14491, member: 187 wrote: CAUTION STRONG LANGUAGE!
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I stopped watchin at 30 seconds, I said it before and I’ll say it again..I’d rather give away my vinyl collection than use that ****ing sync button.
February 7, 2012 at 7:02 pm in reply to: How Seriously Do You Have To Take Your Image To Succeed? #14417Memberwasn’t there a song that had lyrics like “III gotttaaa beee meeeee” ??
February 7, 2012 at 2:34 am in reply to: How Seriously Do You Have To Take Your Image To Succeed? #14367MemberMike Check, post: 14426, member: 1342 wrote: It might suck but the marketing piece is extremely important because the fact is there are a sh!t-ton of DJ’s out there that have equivalent skills and this element helps differentiate. Having said that you can still do it in a way that reflects yourself & is unique. I think of someone like Martin Solveig, he’s definitely taken a twist on the traditional DJ image.
I suppose to each their own, never have and never will live my life like that. I came from a different scene , perhaps DJ’s outside the underground rave scene of my time do such things ..and it’s accepted..and considered the norm.
February 6, 2012 at 11:17 pm in reply to: How Seriously Do You Have To Take Your Image To Succeed? #14351MemberDave Korfman, post: 14405, member: 1422 wrote: It strikes me that almost every DJ profile out there is like a clone of the previous. A moody B&W picture in some urban setting of the person looking nonchalantly at the ground, shades on, coupled with a bio about how they first picked up one of their parents Rod Stewart albums and tried to put in on the record player but they couldn’t even stand let alone walk by that stage..
So how seriously do you have to take your image to succeed in this industry? Do you have to go down the same route and produce an image of coolness that probably doesn’t reflect the reality or is there room to be different? Or do you at least have to play the game until you have enough support to do what you want?
I ask as I’m in the process of finishing my website, writing my biography etc. I assuming this technique of marketing works or everyone wouldn’t do it. But I don’t want to do it. I want to project my true self. Sometimes I wear sunglasses in urban settings and I’m sure I look down at the ground from time to time but I don’t remember ever having an incidental picture taken at the right moment.
Thoughts?
said it before, and I’ll say it again. just read my quote brother, be true to yourself ..the only way to live. being dishonest with yourself only leads to being dishonest with others. and ya can’t see it for what it is ..because of the lies upon lies built up so thick over so long ..and the unwillingness to let go of the now near impossible false reality built around a false image with false people.
be your self brotha
Memberum. Aloha! :-p
February 6, 2012 at 5:34 pm in reply to: How much time do you spend each week looking for new tracks? #14313MemberR33BOOT, post: 9591, member: 824 wrote: I was wondering how much time everyone spends each week looking for new tracks and organizing them?
I’m trying to get back into the swing of things to DJ. I have a 30k song library that I’m looking to clean out but I’ve decided to just look for the newest tracks over the past year to play out at gigs (if I ever get one!). Anyway I was wondering how much time you devote to that, vs actually practicing your dj’n skills?
For example, I have a friends party I might play at on Friday, and since Saturday all I’ve been doing is finding tracks to play, tagging them in iTunes, etc. Plus I want to beatgrid those tracks in Traktor, which I haven’t even got too. So i’m feeling like I’m spending too much time download tracks, track ‘packs’ off of music blogs with 100’s of songs, remixes, etc. and just going into music overload. There is so much music out there it’s like I have a hard time putting my foot down and be like ‘ok you have enough music… now just focus on songs u have to make your playlist and get it all setup’ …
Do you guys try and restrict your music searching to just the latest songs? Do you use something like DjCity, DMS, etc to get your music and that’s it? I’m trying to figure out how to spend less time looking for tracks, organizing, and more time practicing and getting gigs!
Sorry for the rant, any help appreciated!!!
Oh, basically the music I’ve been looking for is ‘open format’ club type stuff, a bit of everything you’d here at a nightclub that is a top 40 type crowd.
Well being that I come from a vinyl background, the vast majority of my collection is vinyl As of late I’ve been re-collecting some of my vinyl in digital format, for tracks where the vinyl is not the best condition any longer. Otherwise I download on occasion, with the specific artist and or track already in mind. I’m sure if things were as instant as they are now when I got my start (no internet existed at the time), I would have been going crazy with downloading a million tracks too. I think once you are experienced, you’ll be looking for specific artists and labels though..and your downloading frenzy will slow down greatly.
MemberD.J.Manhattan, post: 14367, member: 1201 wrote: hehe, your right! At the time I got caught up in the moment day dreaming and wrote that. I just keep that there now to have an over all large goal. Dream big and all, right? But dont get me wrong its all about the feeling of being infront of a crowd I love showing off… and being the center of attention. I used to do professional Ballroom and thats how I got my fill of being in the spotlight lol.
Good luck with your over all large goal of becoming famous. I’ll avoid that at as a motivation at all costs myself.
MemberD.J.Manhattan, post: 14365, member: 1201 wrote:
Sumir, That quote is really meaningfull… and I am not in this for the fame. I am in this for the feeling of playing in front of a live crowd. Thats what I really want. Because new years night was just so amazing.
There is a quote in your profile ..”I’m gonna be famous!” , that led me to believe the opposite.
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