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ParticipantSteelo, post: 21782, member: 1368 wrote: Hey bud I just got an email from Beatport that may be of assistance. Check out their link:
http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/check-out-beatports-origins-charts-to-connect-todays-dance-music-to-yesterd/Thanks a ton!!! Exactly the type of thing I’m looking for.
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ParticipantThanks for the reply, I’m doing most of your suggestions already. But is there a way to do this more productively? My original post must not have been clear.
It’s easy to dig in the wrong direction and waste a lot of time. On the Internet every song is an “underground hit” or a “club classic.” I’m looking for good starting points.
I’m planning to search year-end lists of DJs and Blogs. Hopefully – I can find some good indie dance blogs, and they’ll go back 5-10 years. But again, every DJ and Blog will claim to be super influential.
Any suggestions along to separate the hype from reality would be much appreciated. I trust the people on this forum more than a Google search.
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ParticipantCreatively, I find downtempo and breaks fun to mix because the variety of the rhythms and styles makes it harder, but also pushes you to come up with interesting blends. You have to wrestle with it a bit.
However, I like the opposite effect with house. 4 on the floor just flows together like butter. It’s enjoyable to just cruise through mixes with ease, and the ease factor lets me get into the music in a different way that’s still creative with a bit more heart.Reason808
ParticipantHmmmmm . . . . I come at it from a different perspective. I’m not motivated to create my own style so much as discovering the heart and soul that connects of a group of songs. I suppose a unique sound is a byproduct of that.
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ParticipantThink of the poor groom who’s stuck with her for the rest of his life! You got away from her and got paid for it. He’ll need an expensive divorce. Nobody can win against a control freak that bad.
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ParticipantExcellent article. Thanks D-Jam. Hopefully your tips can compensate for my lack of promotion and marketing talent! I’m planning to use a Facebook page linked to a DJ profile to fully separate my professional and DJ lives. I’m planning to send an email to selected FB friends from my real page who are cool with my DJ identity. These guys will understand when odd or risque clubland stuff turns up in my comments or photos, etc. You hinted at these problems in the article:
I will say though that sometimes the comment system on Facebook can backfire: Some people want their lives personal and thus would not want to invite themselves to be found on Facebook
I’m hoping a separate DJ profile will be a liberating factor and a great way to test the waters with all the cool sharing and social networking features out there. I’m really reluctant to share what I do on the web. To me, Facebook (and social networking) is like trying to take a shower with somebody constantly moving the curtains around.
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ParticipantJust so you know, there really IS a DJ Magic Mike . . . . . . I don’t recommend trying to slap him.
Shoulda done a google search before I wrote.
Well, my intent wasn’t to slap him as a DJ, per se, but the name. You can be a decent DJ with a goofy name.
My real name is Mike, and I get a lot of stupid suggestions for that name by non-club people, etc.
It’s kinda like “jumpin'” John, “crazy” Carl, “Wacky” William, “Sexy” Susie, etc. (and I didn’t google these names either.)I dont keep co-workers or any of my family on my facebook page…thats just asking for trouble.
Yeah, but I find this harder to do as I get older and have moved overseas. I have a one generation FB rule, but I like to stay in touch with my younger relatives who communicate mainly via Facebook. And the lines between friend and co-worker (and FB vs. LinkedIn) are blurred. I also like to stay in touch with “cool’ people I’ve worked with, but the professional connection is still there. Some of my Grad School drinking buddies are now starting to become serious professionals.
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ParticipantWell, I actually DON’T want to link my DJ facebook to my “real” facebook identity. *
Should I create an alias facebook account and then put up a DJ page to that?
Somthing like:
first name: mike
last name: magic
so my FB page will be something like http://www.facebook.com/DJmagicmike**I just want to have a decent FB page that matches my DJ name.
* I don’t trust FB’s every-changing privacy settings to keep away clubbers (and their drunken FB photos) away from my more conservative friends.
** Yeah, I know “DJ Magic Mike” is a corny name. This is just an example. If I had a dime and could slap the face of everybody who’s ever suggested that to me . . .Reason808
ParticipantNow things are clearer: I think Hazma21’s formula of leading with songs that everybody dances to followed by songs that most of the people dance to is really good advice.
It also sounds like you’re asking a different question from your OP. More like “How can I DJ for a conservative crowd?”
im afraid people wont enjoy themselves until i play those radio hits…
I don’t know your crowd, but your instincts are probably right. Good mixing and song selection will let you stretch beyond radio hits somewhat but not completely. Mixing radio hits with good taste can be done, but it could be frustrating for you.
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ParticipantI stand by what I said. Being a wedding DJ is certainly not cool, or creative. But its definitely a good boot camp for song order, which is what the OP was asking about. Cool underground clubs only give new DJs short slots where they can’t really watch how song order affects a crowd over time. Weddings let you see things for a whole evening.
I’ve DJed at a lot of places and situations that most people would think are pretty cool, cutting edge and creative – including hip-hop. Being a wedding DJ helped build the foundation to get there. Having played for both, I think mainstream crowds are much harder to figure out and entertain than underground cutting edge crowds.
BTW – I have not DJed at a wedding for well over a decade.
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ParticipantYeah “music about books” just came to mind as a stupid example. 😮 It could be “dogs” or songs with “Maria” in the title or anything. However, lots of people will try to arrange music like this! Usually its not somebody who wants to be club DJ, but a brother-in-law putting together an iTunes playlist for a BBQ party, or a really bad college radio DJ who got a 3am Tuesday night slot, or something like that.
Hey, I wrote my last post in a bit of a hurry and now thought of a few other things:
There is a version of “music about books mixing” that DJs with good beatmixing skills can fall into. Blending on a musical detail that doesn’t matter. For example, mixing two songs together because they have the same synth sound, or blending two hi-hat patterns together for an interesting 3rd rhythm. It’s really cool in the moment, but doesn’t really help the overall flow of energy. Sometimes this can be amazing, but many times it can be a trap, especially when you want to show off your new beatmixing skills. Somewhere in my apartment is cassette of me ‘brilliantly’ mixing Nile Rodgers guitar riffs off of each other. It bombed in the club.
Another thing to think of with song order is planning transitions from song to song and planning transitions from song set to song set (usually groups of 3-4). In film editing this is the difference between cutting from shot to shot and from scene to scene. Once I got more experience DJing, I started thinking in terms of song “scenes” – keeping in mind songs I’d play 3-4 mixes later. Sometimes the audience reaction forces you to change your what ‘scene’ you were planning next. But that’s the fun of it.
If you really want to learn proper sequencing and song order, be a wedding DJ. Seriously. 45-90 minute sets in a ‘cool’ nightclub are not the way to learn the elusive art of song selection. You need a place where you can spin for several hours non-stop. And if you have to win over a crowd that doesn’t share your tastes in music, so much the better. A top 40 club or pub would also do. Even if the crowd are a bunch of sheep, learning to how to steer your flock is a good skill to have.
When I DJed at NYC underground clubs, people would always compliment me on my flow and sequencing. It came from years of sweating it out in “lame” clubs playing commercial hits. Funny thing is, in retrospect, I miss those DJ moments where the crowd went wild for a corny old hit as much as the “cool” clubs I spun at. Getting the crowd to move is fun no matter where you’re doing it.
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ParticipantI think the Mentos spoof music video was the Foo Fighters
You’re right (I thought it was the Replacements or Soul Asylum) Hilarious to re-watch.
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ParticipantEasy question to ask, hard to answer. But I’ll try – just hang with me if my examples don’t seem relevant to club DJing at first.
Let’s start with an example of what NOT to do. I see a lot of DJ’s organize songs around a theme that makes no musical sense at all like “songs about books.” Their set jumps from heavy metal to hip-hop, to electro and god knows what else. The DJ thinks he’s being clever. The crowd wonders why in the hell they’re listening to a bunch of random music.
So you need to make sure your music style doesn’t jump around like that, too. You can still sequence your music around a theme, just make sure the theme flows together in a musical way. The song you play should progress somehow from the previous song.
Let’s use a classic Motown song: Ain’t No Mountain High Enough. Even though it isn’t a dance song, its a pop song with a lot of energy and a positive vibe. If I was playing this song early in the evening, I can progress in a lot of ways from it. I could continue playing Soul classics. I could switch to other genres from that era, like classic Beatles tracks. If the crowd responds to it (bobbing their heads, looking at me with a smile, coming up to the DJ booth for a request) It tells me I could transition into a mid-tempo dance song, like Michael Jackson’s Billy Jean.
So from that one song I can start three possible sets: 1) Soul Classics that could lead into Disco and/or R&B set. 2) 60’s Pop that could lead into a Rock and/or New Wave set. 3) Mid-Tempo Dance tracks that could lead to a Club Bangers set. All these are the “right order of songs” you’re asking about. Part of that is reading the crowd, but the other part is just understanding different ways to branch off from other tracks. I’m using mainstream examples here, but the principle would work just as well if you were dealing with all the different flavors of electro.
Another big part to getting the right order of songs is being able to build anticipation and surprise. Usually there is a big hit song in every genre that you can build your order of songs towards (or away from). So if everybody wants to hear lady gaga’s new song, you’ll have more success if you tease the crowd playing similar songs to that Gaga hit for a while. Once you have the crowd going with the big hit, you can branch off into other areas, just like you did with my previous motown example. The energy level of your dancefloor and music might change, but the process of ordering your songs is largely the same.
Sometimes the crowd likes to be surprised. So instead of a gradual build up you make a sudden shift. Many times as a DJ I would frustrate the crowd that wanted to dance by stretching out a mid-tempo set and then slamming on a dance banger to start my peak set off with a bang. Other times I would do this organically. That’s where experience helps.
Of course flawless beatmixing gives you ways to be even more creative with your builds and drops. But without good song selection sequencing, you’ll just have a version of “songs about books” with an auto-sync button.
Hope this helps.
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ParticipantMost big corporations are not going to be worried about a parody. Except for Disney, The Oscars and the Olympics. These guys are legendary for their paranoia and protection of their logos and brands. Disney once forced a daycare center to tear down unauthorized posters of their characters. Little kids were crying on the evening news, and they didn’t care.
Some corporations like parodies. I remember an alt-rock band had a hit music video parody of a corny Mentos ad A reporter asked about the official reaction and they basically said (in corporate branding speak) they were amused.
In the eyes of companies this big, you’re not worth suing. The only controversy I could see is if you were doing something sexual or emphasizing the seedier side of nightclub life they wouldn’t want their brand associated with. Then they’d come after you a bit stronger. Even then, it’d just be a cease and desist order.
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ParticipantTotally agree, if one of the online retailers really went in to high quality, digital versions of ‘old school’ dance music, they could do very well out of it.
I’m not quite sure of this. Much as I’d love to think there’s tons of people out there like me who want to restock all their 80s/90s dance rarities with hi-quality digital versions, the overwhelming majority of people just want to remember the big hits and re-live their youth. I think this type of stuff is always going to be a niche interest.
I did some further research and buying legit mp3 from Amazon/iTunes is a big pain in the ass if you’re outside the US like me. I have to use IP blockers and upgrade my OSX to fit with apple increasingly closed media system. And even then there seems to be a lot of rare songs that’ll be missing. So I’m basically stuck rummaging the distant corners of the internet chasing after obscure tracks. Just like digging in the crates at old record stores, minus the dust. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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