Randall Colelli
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Randall Colelli
ParticipantTo jump back halfway into this conversation, I am just wondering how many tracks you all have in your actively used folders and what size events you usually play/length of your sets are in relation.
For my last gig, I had about 200 tracks ready to go, but it was a heavy request crowd at this 4-hour private event gig and I was happy to have ContentUnlimited under my belt (the Netflix of tracks through Virtual DJ, which I plan to use until I solidify a mixture of tracks I like and tracks I find to be popular with a mixture of types of crowds for the types of events I am booking for this fall), or else I’d have had to say no to about 20 people that night. Of the 100 people there, those were my main dance crowd with about 40 other people coming off and on throughout the night.
I like the idea of keeping a clean list, but I also like the idea of being prepared for anything. Before picking up VDJ software, I was using Ableton Live and an APC 40 since I produce non-DJ music as well, and I miss being able to color-code and columnize (to make up a word) my tracks by energy level on a temperature-type scale of blue to red. I am now experimenting with labeling folders in various ways to achieve a similar method of organizing my tracks. Please chime in on whether or not you like doing this and your approach to it if you do.
Randall Colelli
Participant^great reply. With other skills, I have always found that getting a solid base–basically everything mentioned in the OP as far as DJing goes–is vital. Once that’s done, though, it really depends on where your heart lies. Do you want to learn more skills? Do you want to DJ full-time and perhaps get into production?
There are many rungs on the proverbial ladder, and though I think the OP has the most important parts of being a professional outlined, but the technical practice of DJing in and of itself is truly an artform that really can’t be mastered on all fronts IMO, but can be mastered in certain ways that make you better with those details than others, and better than your former self with practice and dedication.
Of course, this is coming from the perspective of someone who does contracting work a lot, and though I don’t create my own materials, I take lots of materials and put them together to make an awesome product for someone to enjoy. I excel at painting and tile work, where I can do those things as well or better than some other people who wear 20 hats in the contracting world, though my deck building and roofing skills are probably lower than average than many others’.
I think the technical facets that make up DJing can be looked at the same way, really. It just depends on if you want to focus on your strengths and improve them–you got the business end locked down, so you don’t have much to lose relying on that stuff to take autopilot as you develop your skills if you so choose. Mix better, practice 3-4 decks instead of 2, add samples, experiment and find what makes you grin, then improve upon those skills and bring your work to the next level at your gigs.
August 16, 2014 at 8:11 am in reply to: First Gig coming up guys. I need some pointers please. #2048746Randall Colelli
ParticipantDon’t worry. Chart toppers are pretty homogenized these days, but depending on the age of the group at large, you can play stuff that has made it into classic status (80s, 90s, early 2000s) and just highlight it here and there with newer stuff.
Another tip–look for remixes of those songs to keep it familiar for them and easier to mix for you. Many remixes keep a dance BPM of 128-132.
August 15, 2014 at 7:30 am in reply to: First Gig coming up guys. I need some pointers please. #2048706Randall Colelli
ParticipantPS–see if you can’t move this thread into the right category 😉 This is the hardware area
August 15, 2014 at 7:29 am in reply to: First Gig coming up guys. I need some pointers please. #2048705Randall Colelli
ParticipantAfter doing a few initial gigs similar in music style to your line-up, I have to say just go with the flow and don’t worry about breaking it down into blocks. Keep your eyes on the floor and see who’s dancing–appeal to them a bit to keep them there and raise the energy level to lock them there until they drop! This will attract more people onto the floor with them. The dancers will circulate and you will probably get requests; I recommend checking the internet service at the venue and see if you can’t get a service where you can download songs you don’t have on-the-fly to please the people who do requests. Get their first name every time, and when you see the crowd kind of lax, get your mic and elevate the crowd by announcing who it’s for then throw in a cheesy “Get on the floor with WHOEVER!” right before you let it drop. Let them do the work for ya by grabbing hands and pulling people out with them! Doesn’t always work but it will make you grin really big when it does 🙂
Being it’s your first gig, don’t fret at all if the floor remains empty here and there. If you are playing music that people aren’t giving you awkward stares for playing, that’s good, even if they aren’t all dancing. It isn’t a club, and people might be a bit shy about dancing depending on the family. Since it is kind of an intimate setting being a family birthday party, you will get less gruff about playing a request than they will give someone for requesting that song.
Don’t worry about super-smooth mixing with tracks you don’t know very well. Obviously, no hard cuts at awkward spots, don’t bring down the energy with transitions from an awesome beat to a long vocal intro of the next song, etc. It’s not as easy to mix top 40/classic pop/rock/hip hop as house is, but as long as the music doesn’t drop dead you’ll be okay. I did that a couple times at my first two gigs–don’t let ’em see you fret, just keep going! Also, be sure to listen to at least two minutes of the tracks so you know they maintain clarity, don’t have those bad rip popping noises, etc. They hurt ears through a PA!
To reiterate, above all else, take it easy and have fun, and just go with the flow! Good luck 🙂
Randall Colelli
ParticipantI wish all of my old rips were done in 320 and not 192. So much good music on my music HDD that just doesn’t cut it at DJing volumes, but my last couple years of rips and purchases are HQ at least, so my last gig was a 2/3 mine 1/3 CU show.
Until I rebuild my library, services like ContentUnlimited make the job affordable–at least if it worked correctly, anyway. Just trying to see if anyone else has the issue to attempt troubleshooting–the permanent yet expensive-up-front solution you mentioned, Vintage, is extremely obvious, but I still appreciate your input as its the only way to go long-term. $10/month is a lot cheaper getting started than buying all the songs I’ve cached on my external with this service and replacing all of my 192 kbps files 😉
Randall Colelli
ParticipantAs an amateur, I really like VDJ8 and you can try it with your controller if you subscribe to the pro version for a month. I also like ContentUnlimited because I tend to DJ events with large age ranges and get lots of requests for music I don’t own. Not sure if the other software companies offer a similar service.
Before going to an actual DJ format, I was using Ableton Live 8 and an APC40 lol–not a bad setup for DJing with some tweaking, really, but I bit the bullet on a Mixtrack while it was on sale on Amazon and haven’t gone back to my Ableton setup after 5-6 months of using VDJ and the Mixtrack controller except to produce.
Randall Colelli
ParticipantHey DJ David from WA–I am in Tukwila, 29, and just now starting with DJing with a background in playing guitars and synthesizers. Keep up the good work, save up, and like DJ Vintage said, you’ll look back one day and be proud of where you came from. Not every DJ or musician can say they put on a good show with the minimal. It’s not the gear that makes you, and for now just think how much you’ll really appreciate the lighter load when you do upgrade. I know people with $4k setups who complain about lugging it around and have no idea what it is like to have a passive setup and a rack mount that they would never fit into their hatchbacks. Patience is key, and keep in mind that if you do upgrade you don’t need the best.
Did you build your own PC? I built mine, too, about 6 years ago with an original AMD Phenom. Check out RE-PC in Tukwila if you are looking for a laptop that won’t break the bank.
You’ll be amazed at how much money you can accumulate over time if you do odd jobs here and there. If you can build PC’s, go out and upgrade them for a little cash. Make a flyer and post it at your school: Tech Support/remove viruses/upgrade parts on older PCs (a lot of people have their parents’ older PCs and would love some more speed via RAM or SSD upgrades). Just charge a lowish flat rate and make them buy the parts if you’re comfortable with that kind of work. Even mowing lawns, pulling weeds, etc. is rough in the heat but people will pay for that if you bargain with them. If you’re a bigger guy, you can also offer to help people in your area move. Everyone needs an extra person for that if they don’t hire movers–just be fair in what you want to get paid and they’ll pay ya!
When you get some money going, check out getting an external audio interface and separate mixer if you like to produce music. You can do so much more with a setup like that compared to having a mixer with built-in sound card, and if you take care of it you can DJ just fine with something cheap like a Numark Mixtrack until you start doing multiple gigs every week. External audio interfaces will allow you to use your midi toys, instruments, plug in mic to record people’s vocals, etc.–simultaneously!
Good luck, dude! Keep at the production and have fun!
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