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ParticipantGot ya, thanks. Great points. It could be a good place to start in finding something close to the sound you’re looking for. I keep coming across people mentioning a couple of books on the matter of computer music production and synthesis.
http://www.digitaldjtips.com/forum/threads/books-they-can-be-dj-gear-right.8056/
They would seem like a decent place to start. I’m not a fan of youtube tutorials a lot of the time. Wind up covering things I already know from different people in different ways. I like to read, make notes, and frequently stop for a little impromptu performance tutorial to drive home the concepts. Anything you’ve come across that is useful? Have you heard of those titles?
Thanks for the advice on Logic. I’m gonna take some time to learn a few things before deciding on a DAW.
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ParticipantIf it sounds like crap, you gotta get out of it. I’d say 3 out of 4 times, I don’t even need my headphones. I know I like to be surprised on the dance floor so I don’t do too many smooth/long transitions. I’m usually hitting the play/pause button simultaneously at the start/end of a breakdown. Now, you should know it sounds bad as you’re cueing, but, if something happens, I’ve been told you can: backspin the track you’re getting out of right at the 8.2….3…..4(stop) of the track you’re getting into, or drop the highs via the filter on the outgoing track so the bass lines and kicks, which are beatmatched of course, are still there allowing you to kind of gradually turn down the horrid combo you’ve created. when the next phrase starts on the incoming track, turn it off. Again, you should KNOW your songs, inside and out. With cueing you gotta know if you’re about to make a mistake. Quickly move to the next track in your library with appropriate key/BPM/mood, hit your cue point. I know even when just practicing, at times, I’ll be like,”Eww, I’m not feeling this.” There is no shame in playing only 16 bars of a song before moving right into the next one. Sometimes I’ll even jump back and forth trading drops and breakdowns between 2 or 3 tracks, then play em together if it sounds right. I think, not getting freaked out is probably key. You’re going to make mistakes.
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ParticipantMe too. Another one I’m practicing is mixing in with the filter. Breakdown hits, hit play with the hi-pass filter up, slowly introducing the beat and bass-line……love it!
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ParticipantThanks for answering Phil! @Ant: I’ve heard a track should never play longer than 4:30. If I’m nearing a breakdown at that point, I’ll just slam in the breakdown of the next track and continue on you can do the sam at the end of a breakdown and slam in the drop of another song. If theres a smooth outro and you’ve got a nice intro on the next, you know what to do. As a dancer, I like to be surprised on the dancefloor so my mixing style usually doesn’t involve long smooth transitions. Still, I feel you gotta do things differently. You cant be boring. I loved the course too. I’m a basement DJ for now but feel like I could play out in front of a stadium if I had to. Time will tell.
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ParticipantI guess it depends where you’re from. It has been the better part of a decade since I’ve seen a turntable in any club. And I go a lot to different types of places in the 3rd largest city in the US. Standard here is Pioneer CDJs x4, and usually a DJM-900. More and more often, I am seeing controllers in clubs. Mostly Kontrol X1s, Xone K2s, Kontrol S4s, VCI-400s, and the occasional Ableton controller. I have NEVER seen a DVS setup. If you’re new, why bother learning outdated technology. I live in a metro area of 10 million and the nearest record store is a 30 minute drive. SERIOUSLY, Pioneer mixers and CDJs can now control Traktor, where do you think this is going?
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ParticipantReloop TM series looks the best out of the bunch in terms of quality and being sorta new. I’m seriously considering running Traktor Pro 2 on the TM2 or 4. I live in the US and it not that much to order from Europe.
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ParticipantThanks, softcore. Great answer. I’ve seen that with all the wires and plugs. Looks like an old phone operator board. So you can say….”thats the sound I want from my synth/VST right there”, apply the patch, and all your virtual knobs and plugs will be set. Seems a little like cheating. I can’t imagine that a lot of prominent artists/producers would use presets, do they? It may be a good place to start to get that sound you’re looking for, then maybe make some other adjustments from there.
I’m just starting to investigate music production. I’ve spent the last few months devouring information about and playing with Traktor Pro 2. My Focusrite AI came with Ableton Lite. Of course I get an email daily, UPGRADE TO LIVE 8 SUITE NOW FOR 25% OFF AND GET FREE UPGRADE TO LIVE 9 SUITE!!!!!!!! Seems like a lot more stuff to learn, but I do enjoy the hell out of my DJ adventure thus far. I actually read the Traktor Bible. I don’t know about Ableton. It seems strange. I like the look of Logic better, but it seems like Ableton is the obvious choice for DJ/EDM stuff.
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ParticipantMatching the BPMs doesn’t mean that the beats are in sync. That’s a good place to start. It’s easiest (I have never used CDJs but I learned manual beatmatching for peace of mind via this website’s course – How to DJ Fast) to, with two tracks you know are at 128 bpm, place the track you are bringing in at 126, and the other at 128. You know the 126 is going to be the one behind. Otherwise it can be hard to tell which beat is out front, and which is behind. You can then adjust the pitch fader/tempo adjust up slowly until they are perfect as your ears can tell.
Thats what I love about DDJing. My mixes in Traktor are tighter than my ears can even detect and as good as anything I hear in clubs or in podcasts/internet radio. It frees me up to worry more about other things in the mix: track volumes, eqs, using filters or FX, etc… I’ve only been at this a couple months. I highly recommend Digital DJ Tips Course.
Honestly, now that you can use Pioneer CDJs to actually control Traktor, I think it is the CDJ swan song. Prominent DJs I know, buy all their music digitally, then burn it to CDs for club use. Why bother anymore? Bring your laptop, use the CDJs and the clubs mixer, maybe add an X1/F1 or two, and off you go. With the X1, you really don’t even need the CDJ.
This is a classic argument whether its having to walk to school versus ride the bus, use a payphone versus cellphone, or go to the library reference section versus the using the internet. DJs who have half a brain can see this and are adjusting as the technology comes along. I practiced a little, and feel like I could do it if I needed to. Not as good as some old school DJs of course, but, do they understand the finer points of Traktor Pro’s preferences or how to map a DJ controller or pretty much any USB/MIDI device to do exactly what you want it to in the software? Probably not.
Out with the old, in with the new. C’est la vie!
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ParticipantThere are a decent amount of options if that is your budget. Thats about 250 bucks where I ‘m from. You can see what I have and it is really loud. They are great for DJing monitors. Some sound snobs who do mixing and such will say they have too much bass or wobbly low end, but thats what I like. They sound great at low and high volumes. Just remember, that these will not be something you should perform with. You can get a PA system for about that much as well. Which wouldn’t be the best monitors, but great for a party. Really you could use about anything. If you have an amp……well you’re worried about size, remember that powered monitors are kinda big. Mine are 5 inches (11cm), but the size of the cabinets are quite a bit larger than passive speakers. Good luck.
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ParticipantI think you COULD, run sound through your mac USB speakers. But the beauty of the 380 and most controllers these days, is the built in sound-card (24bit/48kHz). If you’re gonna drop the kind of coin it costs to buy the 380, you should seriously invest in a set of powered monitors or PA speakers. You can connect these directly to the master output (XLR out) or via RCA (booth out) of the VCI-380. Forget some usb speakers…..jam proper!
February 25, 2013 at 7:07 am in reply to: Traktor Skipping When I Load a Track (X1 MIDI Mixer) #37140niu02kevin
ParticipantThe other 2 are FILTER* knobs with on/off
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ParticipantIn a couple years, the S2 will be $200. Check out the Traktor Bible website. I’m sure there a several mapping options you can download for a popular controller like you have. You can buy the license or get an Audio 2 basically for free if you go that rout as it comes with a license.
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ParticipantI have experienced this same issue. Go to preferences/effects. There is a drop down menu for FX1,2,3, & 4. There are a few options. When Traktor is installed or your settings get factory reset, the FX are not set to be sent through the mixer. I can’t recall the names of the options, something like send thru, pre-mixer, and one other which is essentially off. Then click the orange box and all should work fine.
February 20, 2013 at 3:26 am in reply to: Pre-cue? Focusrite Scarlett 2i2. Need a little help. #36945niu02kevin
ParticipantThanks for the tip.
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ParticipantAs I said, Ive settled on Traktor. My Bible is in the mail and I will probably read it in a day or two to help me finalize my hardware decisions. My earlier post about making re-edits in Ableton….lets just say it will be Traktor for Djing and a separate DAW for things like that.
One Concern is the fact that the majority of these articles involving use of pioneer mixers with traktor software are using traktor scratch, à la timecode vinyl or timecode CD. I won’t be doing this and want to be sure that I can. Also I found some information elsewhere that says you can plug RCA cables from the record out hub on the back of the mixer into one of the channels of the mixer, probably channel4 and then in Traktor settings set the record toggle to external mode.
Another thought I had was: could you use two, 2-channel controllers to use all four decks. Like two that don’t have built in soundcards as this wouldn’t be needed with the external mixer?
I’m probably just gonna get an S4 and be done with it for now, but I have a feeling something is coming from NI with the recent price drop.
I just think it would be nice as a digital DJ to be able to have such small gear that you could hook up easily to a clubs mixer, know how to use, and achieve best possible sound quality in that venue.
My friend the resident DJ has a class that he teaches one-on-one that ends in a month with you performing live. Its a bit pricey, but can you really put a dollar value on life’s best experiences? I will take Phil’s course, practice hard, read EVERYTHING, and then maybe do that course with as much in my head as I can get when I start in order to make the most of the situation. I’ll keep DDJTs posted.
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