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Memberyeah and honestly the only thing that keeps me from doing so:money… considering the S2 is the half of the Denon(with sold TPro2 license).If i musn`t look for the financials i would just keep the S2 for bedroom/home use or as a second backup controller and get me the Denon also .-)
It`s some sort of dilemma:sending the S2 back,knowing that atm i can`t afford the Denon so i`ll have to wait till next month,weeks without controller,already had 5weeks of “forced break” as i sold my reloop dj2 back in january..but i do also think that the Denon will get an new pricing in the next weeks just to sell more of the units..its a really hard decision to keep or not to keep the S2
I can`t really describe what i don`t like about the s2,after mixing a a few testsets this weekend:the controls are really on point,that`s tight but it feels somewhat “sterile” to mix with the s2,don?t know if it`s because of the size,the button arrangement,the Poti Knobs that aren`t so light to turn around..something is there that doesn`t feel right..if you are coming off the S2 to play a set on a standard pioneer djm,you feel like in heaven,the placement of the jogwheels on the s2 also isn`t optimal because of the cuepoint/sampler unit directly bottom of the wheels,if you are in hectic you could easily press one of the cue buttons after touching the jog or other way around,i think they should have done the sampler/cue unit at the top and the jogs beneath it or at the outer sides of the jogs
and i noticed another major weak point:the USB connector at the back of the s2 is definately the achilles heel of the whole unit,the usb cord sits in there so tight that if you are unplugging it, you think you will rip out the whole connector..tight is good but that`s much too tight and it really feels like after 100times plug in,plug out,this connector MUST brake..can`t imagine that this connector is rock stable in the long term
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Member@Rigo:well,the reloop is just a toy in my opinion..don`t know about the new jockey but the DJ2 is something to keep in the bedroom at best,i would never rely on that live..
the buttons aren`t good,you must switch them for some decent arcade buttons(like sanwa,just like the ones in the arcade sticks) if you want them to live longer than half a year,the traktor integration/provided mappings are really crappy,so you end up spending hours reassigning,even fx on/off deck 1+2 does not work with their mappings..drivers are bad for the interface edition,support off reloop is awful,products is at best beginner gear..my first mixer in 1999 was a reloop battlemixer,lasted a good year till it was completely broken..i do not trust this company .-)
i bought a traktor kontrol s2,was delivered yesterday.for 399euro i couldnt stand to order one..and i spent the last night with it, testing everything..i must really admit that i`m not completely sold on it yet. As i play Progressive Psytrance i am not into doing some fancy stuff like skipping through 8 cue points and other stuff,i prefer it oldschool with 2 decks,2 efx and nothing special,just the music,good tracks and atmosphere..i wanted a rather simple controller First after “unboxing” it looked all well,quality knobs(way better knobs than on the reloop DJ2),clean interface,keeping it simple…but its really not a small controller,the s4 is a monster,this one is portable but not “small” due to the large jogs..
From that point the S2 is really well,you don`t feel like in an Airplane Cockpit looking at all the buttons or like in a autoscooter with flashy lights.. But after spending a few hours with it i think thw whole unit is a bit too “elegant”.. i want ruff gear not something that looks like its made for some sort of Dj who want “stylish” equipment..who came up with the idead of the “mirrored” middle part,thats plain stupid,you see every fingerprint on it or you can look at yourself in the middlepart of the mixer,maybe it is meant to sniff some lines directly off the controller..worse design decision and that was i meant with this stylish approach..nonetheless the VU meters are nicely coloured and it doesn`t look so toyish than other controllers,but they are useless anyways,the meters in traktor are much more precise than on the controller…
really BIG letdown is for me no EQ kill switches,i`m so used to it that maybe that could be the deal breaker for me on this one,its killing me to have no kill switches..
Sounds Quality is clear,crispy,although its not so “punchy” as i have expected,great quality audiowise..
The Jog Wheels are feeling like on a CDDJ,they are plastic but they feel very good,but they are a little too hard to spin fast in my opinion.with scratch function enabled it really “feels” good..scratching works fine for a controller solution but its also not the real deal..if someone want to seriously scratch,DVS is the only solution..
The Integration with Traktor Pro2 is very neat,thats in my opinion the greatest + for this Controller,especially for people who don`t want to fiddle with mappings like me,its self explanatory..also the latency and reaction time is just great,best i`ve seen so far,everything is on point,every little movement on a knob is instantly done by traktor,huge plus! i had different controllers hooked up to my macbook in the last months and not one was so fast in reaction like the s2-
although there is a bummer:there is NO cup button(cue+play)..and if you press cue and hold cue it plays the track as long as you hold,than it skips back to the cue beginning..for me that was annoying,i reassigned the play button to the CUP function as i like to slam in new tunes via CUP and i really do not understand why there is no shift function or any function at all in the default mapping that provides CUP functionality or some tickbox to revert the play button to a cup button..with the default mapping you have the big “CUP” button grinning into your face but you just can`t use it..
the gain encoder is…meh..not for me..
Sample Decks is nice,but i really don`t know if its sooo essential..hell i remember times where i`ve done “sampling” from the second deck by hand..and that would be the next point:do i really need those controls for the sample decks? i see a lot of fun with those decks,triggering stuff and so on but in live situations i just would use them not so often and i don`t know if that`s something i really would look into,its for a special kind of dj who want to look or sound creative but often up this ends not so well for the listener.although its fun for the dj.otherwise the mixing feel is good,but not for the aggressive mixing styles,its suited for house and stuff with the default mapping..and i dont really like the knobs size i prefer bigger rounder ones than those on the s2…
I will do some mixing later and as is said its a good product but i do not know if its really what im looking for,otherwise it goes back and i`ll definately end up with the denon mc3000..it is 150euro more than the s2 but its rougher,it looks like oldschool dj gear,line ins,i could hook up some cd djs,emergency line in for live gigs,great sound quality,XLR connectionsand i trust in denon,thats high quality gear! although i see also no kill eqs there..my denon amplifier is 18 years old,still runs perfect .-)
Will make my decision if i keep the S2 or go for the MC3000…the big thing is the price point,as someone who has traktor already,you could sell the license that is included for around 100euros,than the traktor kontrol s2 is half the price than a denon mc3000 at the moment..and its the build quality indeed of the s2,it has something that leaves me like:doesn`t look reliable..the denon looks “rock stable”
January 25, 2012 at 5:07 pm in reply to: thinking about a traktor kontrol !s2-any suggestions? #1002699Mindfloat
Memberdenon mc3000 looks good so far,gotta check it out live..really hard decision which new controller to pickup..
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Memberhi,simply had no time to reply earlier,how i stay informed,i`m going to partys nearly every weekend,we got a somewhat large goa/psy base here in germany .-) and for new music i could suggest you psyshop.com or goastore.ch,both are great shops for psychedelic trance music in all genres..
regards
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my pick,phaxe is kicking ass,about time that he releases an album
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Memberi`ll give it a spin,putting it on my phone for on the go .-)
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Member@paul:if you like traktor and you are planning to use it in the pro version(which you do if you are getting an s4.-) i suggest you the “traktor-bible” really a great book,covers many aspects that aren`t mentioned in the official traktor handbook and its well structured..there is a traktor pro2 version of the bible out now,i still have the old version,but it helped me alot when i was starting with traktor..
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Memberhere is one of my psytrance mixes,this one was live recorded on a nice little outdoor psyparty 2weeks ago,style is psytrance-full on
http://soundcloud.com/mindfloat/skybeamfor more mixes check out my signature .-)
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Memberfor listening music on the go some in ear sennheiser cx-300,for dj’ ing technics rp-dj1210,my first pair lasted 6years,now i`m on my second ones .)
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Membersurely i`ll take a listen for you .-)
edit:heard it,nicely done,cool mix,very chilling,i especially like the closing track,supernice melody.-) and i saw there is a robert babicz track in your set too,i`ve seen him as “rob acid” so often here in the warehouse club cologne(unfortunately closed),that were great times…robert is really a freak who has a whole truck full of equipment.keeping my fingers crossed for your competition!
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Memberreplaceable faders should be standard on pro equipment,i have an old crappy behringer mixer(never ever buy behringer products!),even that has replaceable faders .-) if i look back its the crucial part on every dj equipment..and for tp2 inside the package,cool for absolute beginners but they should also sell it without software for the people who bought tp2 already..i think i`ll check out the denon controller,if this is not my kind of thing i wait for a price drop on the s4+getting a discount in the store,then it`s surely the thing to go .-)
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MemberAlex Wild, post: 922 wrote: I bought an S4 and really like everything about it, except for the build quality. It’s not bad, but does feel plasticy and the faders could be a lot more solid. I use mine every friday so have to take it with me to the club in a bag, the low weight makes this easy.
I think it’s a bit overpriced for the materials used, I happened to get a good deal direct from the supplier, I would’ve been disappointed if i’d paid full price…The Denon looks really solid, but I havn’t really seen anyone talking about it online much, so I feel if I traded in for that I’d be a bit on my own if any problems/setup issues came up.
What about that A&H one, DB4 is it?
hey alex,good to hear from someone that owns an s4,as i`m thinking about getting one as well,i was in my local music store last week to check it out, overall i like the design,even if the s4 is a beast in terms of the size(not really “mobile” .-),but i also thought that its overpriced,and if i looked correctly there aren`t changeable faders which is really embarrasing for a “premium” product..on the other hand i would get it at a lower price,i worked in the store a few years ago..mhhmm i should check out this denon controller,i have faith in denon,i still have an amplifier made by them which lasts since 1993 now..
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Memberyes phil, that was something i did not think about .-) in this case of course it is a good thing to use such programs! i`m wondering if platinum notes does correct already finished mixes or is it important to analyse the tracks before the set?
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Memberis it really the essence of blending a mix that you cant hear any transitions? sometimes its cool,sometimes its really boring..depends on the situation,but personally i think sometimes its even cooler to get rougher transitions,so that the people recognize “ah,a new beat coming in” if you want perfect seamless transitions all you have to do is using ableton for djing..
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Memberstarted with traktor,now on traktor pro 2…although there are a few CPU peaks sometimes with tpro2 im happy with it,thinking it`s a bug with those peaks..really enjoying those trippy “spectrum” waveforms in traktor pro 2 .-)
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