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MemberHaha no problem if its one thing I’ve done a lot of its those old school new school parties that have everything from 20 – 90 year olds
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MemberMy man down in the ATL that’s Brooklyn, Jersey, Philly south hahaha. Alrighty then. A list of things to play that should get the folks moving. Alright now keep in mind this is off of the top of my head and I am getting old haha.
LL Cool J Jingling Baby
EPMD Crossover
Pete Rock CL Smooth TROY
Tupac I Get Around
De La Soul Me, Myself and I (kinda helps you do a transition to the P-Funk stuff)
Bobby Byrd Know you Got Soul
Guy Groove Me
BBD Poison/Thought It was Me/Do Me
Christopher Williams Dreaming
Heavy D Somebody For Me/Now That we Found Love
Mary J Blige Real Love
Main Source Looking at the Front Door
New Edition Candy Girl
Bobby Brown Every Little Step/My Perogative
Brass Construction Moving
Commodores Brick House
Carl Carlton Mama Jama
Frankie Beverly Before I Let Go
GQ Boogie Nights
Pleasure Glide
Brandy Baby/The Boy is Mine
Aaron Hall Don’t Be Afraid
If you have some steppers in the group I know the Leon Huff I Ain’t Jivin I’m Jammin has that hard downbeat that the old school steppers lose their minds for.
East Coast Family All 4 One
ABC At the Playground
Johnny Gil Rub You the Right Way
Janet JAckson Heavy D Alright
Jackson 5 Can You Feel It/Lovely One
Patrice Rushen Haven’t You Heard
The O’Jays I love Music
Imajin Shorty(You Keep Playing with My Mind)
Rodney O and Joe Cooley Live and Learn
Levert Cassanova
Big Daddy Kane Smooth Operator/Raw
MC Brains Oochie Coochie
Father MC I’ll Do for You
Blu Cantrell Oops
SWV Anything(WuTang)
Nina Skye Move ya Body
Peter Metro Debi Debi Girl
Chaka Demus and Pliers Murder She Wrote
Barrington Levy She’s Mine
Yeah I know the last 3 are reggae but the are fast enough that you can incorporate them into a hip hop set. EVERYBODY knows the melodies to them and women love dancing to them.
That should help lead you to other tunes and help trigger some memoriesJordylu1007
MemberI thought this was a pretty good article although I can certainly see the whiny aspect as mentioned in the responses. From my perspective house and deep house specifically was always, and again this is just me, one of those you have to be hip to it genres. Not saying it was stuffy or so very sophisticated that not everyone got it but rather that the style of music just isn’t for everyone. I remember buying deep house vinyl cuts and there was either a limited number of places to really play it because lots of folks didn’t really appreciate its underground, jazzy different feel or if you did play it you would end up using a specific portion of any given 12″ in your mix. Most of the spots I can remember that played deep house on a regular basis didn’t get huge crowds although some spots that would have a one off night of deep house a couple of times a month and be packed. The same can really be said for most genres. Underground backpacker hip hop can do 1 maybe 2 nights a month at a club and end up packing the place because the scarcity motivates that crowd to show up. Again though same can be said for most genres. Tell people you like Jazz and they start telling you about their love of smooth jazz and look at you like you have 2 heads when you mention Miles Davis or John Coltrane, to them Miles Davis is other(why is he playing a 3 minute solo??? Why is he giving the drummer a minute and a half solo???) and it isn’t as accesible musically as that Dave Koz cut where he gets in and gets out and the whole song is 4 minutes. Neosoul and R&B…the R&B cuts are more of the mainstream cuts you hear regularly on the radio while on the other hand Neosoul only had a handful of breakout must hear cuts so when you tried to do a full night of neosoul the casual observer would leave disgruntled because to them the music was just too mellow jazzy whatever the adjective. Same with deep house to a lot of folks the music isn’t nearly as moving to them and so while they may appreciate some deep house tracks that caught their ear to have a full night of it becomes too much unless its the loyal deep house head in which case they love it. I have been a deep house head for a looooonnnnggg(Love it flat out love it) time but I know that the larger venues need to pay for all those drinks and floor space and they couldn’t do it playing some deep vibey cut from Casio Ware that was beautiful and cinematic with its 4 minute drum track build up followed by the introduction of strings and rhodes piano, we are 8 minutes into the song and it really hasn’t kicked in yet because he still needs for that french horn snare drop to occur at the 10 minute mark hahaha when what the crowd really wanted to do was cut loose to an anthem track that was 4 minutes long total that allowed them to sing at the top of their lungs dance and get sweaty and knock back a few drinks.
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MemberPlayed a gig where during my initial meeting with the promoter he made me aware that he wanted underground Hip-Hop, R&B and beats type get together(He didn’t want stuff you hear on the radio and if it was a radio cut he wanted remixes and b-sides). Met up a couple days before the gig to finalize everything and confirmed we’re still underground/Obscure. Got to the gig and about 30 Minutes in I’m getting the request for top 40 “How come you aren’t playing….” by the patrons but I keep it breezy and play what I’m playing figuring the promoter hired me to play this until about 10 minutes later promoter comes up to ask’s me what am I playing. I’m playing what we agreed. The problem was this dude promoted the party as you standard run of the mill top 40 Hip-Hop R&B fest not as the obscure 3rd white label release of a Madlib remix of a Dilla remix of the Herbalizer original album only released in Papau New Guinea(For the record I really don’t know if there is such a thing as this haha) or that b side re-re-remix of Real Love by Mary J Blige that sounded NOTHING like the original. I was lucky that I had a crate(this was 2004/2005) with nothing but top 40 and club bangers that I used to carry just in case things went sideways. So I had to mix the top 40 stuff with the underground I would get them dancing for about 3 songs and try to slip in something else and the dance floor would scatter except for 2 or 3 people out there losing their minds over the fact that I’m playing MF Doom hahah
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MemberIt’s actually not a whole lot more complex than the 128 bpm house banger. You are still loking at baselines and snares and when and how they come in. The advantage of the R&B tracks is that a lot of them are really Hip-Hop tracks masquerading as R&B songs so you can find a complimentary instrumental Hip-Hop track and blend that with your R&B track letting it settle into the background at first. Bring the volume up on the Hip-Hop track set yourself a nice 4 bar loop of the R&B track throw a little delay and a touch of reverb on there and there you go. I use filters if you in order to remove the bass in the Hip-Hop track sometimes if it will really clash with the R&B song so that just the snares play and allow them to accent the R&B track. If your Hip-Hop and R&B track don’t clash then let them ride and slowly fade the R&B track out. Hopefully this helps.
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MemberLukeAlive, post: 36781, member: 270 wrote: And before that in the 40s and 50s you had the black radio jocks with “jive” talk that predates the MC. In the end our black brothers just know how to throw a rhyme its in your blood lol Respect!
Very true very true. Up until about 1995 when the guys starting passing away there was a station here WDAS that used to do this event every New Years Day where they would bring back the older retired DJ’s from the station. The very same folks you are talking about from the 60′ and 70’s like Jocko Henderson, Georgie Woods and Butterball in fact some of THAT stuff is on Youtube if you put in their names. Now if you want to learn how to hype a crowd and work the MIC check those cats out. Now granted some in fact a lot of the slang is dated but really their approach to working the MIC is impeccable.
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MemberGood stuff on the instrumental loop outro’s always a good way to make really solid transitions
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MemberI’m a hip hop DJ and any “Mic Work” is to basically hype the crowd. Truth be told to get an idea of how they work the mic youtube videos of Kid Capri, Funkmaster Flex and DJ Premier. Capri especially was an early master of the Mic Work for hip hop DJ’s. Keep in mind you are really looking to keep the crowd up without over doing it. Even repeating certain portions of songs will help you achieve your goal. Depending on where you live you can also get a “hype” person…Here in Philly you shake a tree and 10 fall out hip hop DJ’s here usually had a habit of having them because they didn’t talk to much. Will Smith started out as Jazzy Jeff’s hype man and MC Marvelous and a dude named Supreme All World were DJ Cash Money hype men and even now Skillz serves as Jeff’s hype man so you don’t need to talk. Get a person you know that has an outsized personality, witty and slick with their ability to turn a phrase and voila there you go.
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MemberThanks hope it helps you out. Don’t worry if you can’t scratch all that well the simple scratchs lots of times sound better than the DJ that is putting on a full show with the full arsenal of scratches when a simple zigga zigga would have made all the difference in the world. Sometimes I will do a full 60 minute mix for distribution and listen to it before I am ready to give it out and shake my head at some of the awful scratches I put in hahaha so it will ok keep on practicing I know I do. Also look at some of the blogs that have instrumental producers out there. These are great transition tracks. I do the same thing take a small loop like you have been doing and mix it in plus it gives you the chance to support unknown producers and play their tracks. Here is on of the sites I go to regularly and they have never failed me. strictlybeats.blogspot.com
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MemberIt takes a bit of practice but it can be done. I converted from vinyl(Actual 12″ mixes I picked up at the store big thumbs up to Armands here in Philly) to a controller. Initially I looked at the wave forms to make sure I had the correct place in the song I wanted to scratch. I now put markers on those parts of the song and then do my chops and chirps and even have been able to get a decent transformer done. As an hip hop dj if I don’t scratch I get discomboulated haha. I often will take the drum drop on a song and scratch it into my other track. With some practice I was able to get past the size of the jog wheels. Great advice by nietzSKY give it a try. The more you practice it the more comfortable you’ll be. Try the simpler chops scratchs initially and then see if you can do some more complex scratch patterns. I think once you are confident in those simple scratches you’ll be ok. The beauty of it all is that the needle WON’T skip so no matter what you do the worse that can happen is that the track slips and goes a half beat before or after the part you want to cut.
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MemberShowbiz Connor, post: 36433, member: 7627 wrote: hi guys,
I’m strugglling to mix hip hop smoothly due to the irregular beats but more importantly the vocals on the tracks.
my sets are all good and have great flow thanks to MIK but the actual mixes can be a little messy if I’m trying to put two rap tracks together.
I’m experimenting with looping the start of the incoming track and mixing into the loop but do any of you more experienced guys. Obviously hip hop and EDM are very different so I’m finding that I have much less time to beat match
Any tips for cutting between tracks rather than mixing or any other common techniques am I’m struggling to find anything on line to help me
Thanks
Hey how ya doing? As a DJ who has been mixing Hip Hop for years and I means years from the time of 2 Turntables and a Mic there is a great advantage to having the software to make things happen in your mixes. Find yourself a clear four bar portion of the song that youcan loop. It may even have a bit of a vocal to it as long as the loop is chopped correctly by you. Use that loop as the transition to your next song by letting it play out as you bring the other song in. If you can scratch like Michael Lawrence mentioned then that will be even better. You don’t need to be able to crab scracth or do flares or chirps but a quick chop cut(the basic scratch where you just bring the record back and forth while clipping the crossfader back and forth) will do the trick. You can fade the loop out after you bring in your new song by doing a backspin and then applying an echo to it to fill the sound. Let that 4 bar loop go on for a total of 12 bars, bring your next song in on the begining of the 2nd go around of the 4 bar loop and by the time you get to the third loop you have established the next song in the mix.
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MemberColtrane09, post: 32740, member: 2800 wrote: Hey, Jordylu…what do you know about that Slum Village “Climax”? Woooooo weee that’s a jam. When I first heard that cut I thought SV came from a time warp…LOL. Consequence’s “Please Disperse” sort of fits that bill too.
What’s up Dan. I take it that you’re entertaining a certain age group when you refer to 90’s hip hop and R&B? The previous responses pretty much laid out a LOT of music from the 90’s. I think 90’s R&B and Rap was a golden era for Hip Hop culture. I’m sitting here now wondering how long did it take the other guys to come up with all those names because they covered a lot of them. There were a lot of folks releasing banging hits back then, and for the most part it was GREAT music. Believe it or not, in most cases you could distinguish southern rap from west coast and up north flavors. Now, it appears everyone commercial are using a handful of producers that put out country rap tunes.
If you have a chance check out this brother’s Youtube channel in the UK named DJ Soops. He does a lot of Neo Soul mixes, but he also has a few videos where he mixes 90’s R&B and Rap. I’m also sure you can find more mixes available on Youtube if you do a search for 90’s Rap or 90’s R&B.
BTW, there’s one group I don’t see, but someone they’re associated with Del the Funkee Homosapien who was mentioned on the Reddit forum, and that’s Souls of Mischief. They had a bangin’ track called “’93 ’til Infinity”. And while we’re on the West Coast, we can’t forget Tha Alkoholiks. Check out Tha Liks album “21 & Over”. The West Coast had their own style. For the East Coast, Doo Wop’s “’95 Live Part 1” has to be one of the greatest mix tapes ever released. Doo Wop’s mix tape will give you more flavor of the 90’s gritty lyricists flaunting their talents. Can’t forget MOP, Group Home, Gangstarr, Nice & Smooth, Mob Deep (I nearly lost my mind when I first heard Mob Deep’s debut song “Shook Ones Part II” in a club), Digital Underground (West Coast), Sweet Sable (not rap, but a clash of R&B and hip hop), Queen Latifah, Naughty by Nature, Rottin Razkals, Special Ed (late 80’s, early 90’s), Da Bush Babees, Poor Righteous Teachers, Main Source, Nas, Mos Def, Jeru The Damaja, Ill & Al Skratch, The Roots, Brand Nubian, Grand Puba, The Pharcyde, Redman, Keith Murray, Jamal (formerly of Illegal), Kriss Kross, Common fka Common Sense, Black Moon, The Beatnuts, Big Pun, Fat Joe, Digable Planets, Apache (“Gangsta B”), Diamond D, Big L, Goodie Mob (Southern Rap, but not what you think, Ceelo was a member of this group), Too Short, Geto Boys (they represented southern rap, but the Texas way: in other words, southern rap was conscious too and wasn’t all about Miami bass music), Lords of the Underground, Missy Elliott, Timbaland, Mase, Craig Mack, Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz………
Ok….that’s a lot of people and I’m 100% sure I didn’t get everyone nor will we ever finish the list from all the responses here…LOL. It’s just a lot of folks to name, but I hope by now you have a good listing. You have a good 10 years to cover (give or take a year) so take your time. It never hurts to go with the chart busters because a lot of songs remained “B”side, but they are club classics.
Oh, let me give an honorable mention to DJ Kool’s “20 Minute Work Out” and “Let Me Clear My Throat” which had the clubs bangin’ back then too!
Good luck with your discovery because once you go down the road of hip hop of the 90’s you’ll soon discover the artists and producers sampled a lot of the music from a wide variety of genre’s from Soft Rock to Jazz from prior years. Back then artists and producers were very creative and tried to make different tunes from their parent’s music. Yes, some of it was a direct sample, but a lot of it was made from short snippets. It’s very cool to figure out where they got the music from. There are probably only a handful that do it now.
Loving this thread even if I only check in on it every couple of weeks or so hahahaha. You are a hip hop head as well good to see. Yeah that Slum Village climax is just WOOOOOOOOOO. I used to play a lot of tunes of that ilk when I was starting the evening out and 3 people were standing in the room I was playing or ending the evening and wanted the I’m just here to dance to the radio bangers crowd OUT of the room. What’s THIS????? Uhhhh its Slum Village Climax…It sounds weird….Yeah I’m sure it does. Most folks had no clueand just wanted to hear the track that ALWAYS got radio play. In fact if you tried to school them on hip hop outside of the mainstream they would look at you like a unicorn was standing behind you. I always had a leaning towards that whole mellow ethereal sound though. Really good tracks to but the harder boom bap beats behind and most of the time you could get away with playing the songs you really like as long as you had a decent enough track to mix with it. I used to drop the instrumental of Jazzy Jeff Fresh Prince Brand New Funk 3 or 4 times a night because it would be behind Slum Village or behind Bahamadia so people were toleratiing the songs I liked by Slum and Bahamadia because at the end they knew I would eventually drop the Brand New Funk vocal or put Climax on and cut in the instrumental track of Get into It by Big Daddy Kane. Couple scratches and let it go and voila of course you could only play that for about 30-45 seconds before the crowd would get restless and start to go sit down so then you’d have to cut Rock Dis Funky Joint in by Poor Righteous Teachers to keep the crowd moving but yeah. That list you have is impeccable love it. I have been fortunate that a ton of the clubs, bars and lounges here in Philly play/played a lot of that type of hip-hop. When I briefly moved to Oakland Ca I noticed that in both Oakland and San Francisco while they certainly wanted to hear their hometown artist and had a brutally underrated hip hop scene the minute they found out I was from back east if I attempted to play a Bay Area cut folks would do the walking strong routine up to where I was DJing and ask why I wasn’t playing stuff from the east coast. Sometimes I would throw on these obscure cuts strictly local to Philly or Regional to the PA/NJ/DEL tristate like a group out of Camden NJ called the Krown Rulers had this song called Kick the Ball and these folks would dance to them like they had been fans of that particular cut for years. Another time I played this song called My Part of Town by the Tuff Crew out of Philly and these cats were on the floor going for broke. I guess that why I really hip hop culture or the older classic cuts because there is nothing like seeing a room with a mixed age crowd(from lets say 21 or 22 to 33,34) and everyone is saying the words to T.R.O.Y by Pete Rock and CL Smooth then you put on another less well know cut by them like Lotsa Loving and now its a much smaller portion singing but the ones who dont know it continue to dance because to them this cat next to me that was kicking T.R.O.Y at the top of their lungs is all in on the cut too so it must be pretty good. Oh well again good thread, great song/artist suggestions guess I’ll be back in another 2 or three weeks with hopes that there are a couple of more comments.
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MemberExcellent suggestions by Max Rodgers. Just to add on you can also look for some stuff by Bahamadia(a really dope female MC from my hometown of Philadelphia), Derelict Camp, Keith Murray, Ultramagnetic MC’s, Prince Paul of Stetsasonic, Chubb Rock. You may also like some of the production work done by Eric Sermon of EPMD fame which usually has a real nice jazzy vibe to it in addition to golden era Boom Bap beats. He had a large hand in elevating Redman, Das EFX and K-Solo part of the Brick City Squad. Da Bush Babies are another group along with I.N.I. you may like. A lot of these groups had some sort of loose ties to folks you may already know. Da Bush Babies were tight with Mos Def of Blackstar(Talib Kweli) Fame. Common was part of the early Chicago scene when he was still Common Sense and being produced by NO I.D. I.N.I was group produced by Pete Rock. I say that to point out that if you find yourself liking a particular sound like that of Pete Rock there are groups that will fit that bill. J Dilla(Detroit) was a prolific(an understatement) producer so listening to Slum Village and some of his older Busta Rhymes, Royce Da 5’9, Frank & Dank productions may be something you would like. Also go to some of the blogs that host old mixtape by Jazzy Jeff, DJ Cash Money, DJ Tat Money(yeah the hometown bias comes out now hahaha) Kid Capri, DJ Mister C, Rock Raida. Those blogs usually have a listing of the tunes played and because these mixes are sometimes 10 or 15 years old they are a good indicator of the more obscure tunes you aren’t aware of. For every One More Chance by Biggie they play they will toss in Climax by Slum Village, What People Do for Money by Divine Sounds and that obscure Uptown Remix of Baby by Brandy that you didn’t know existed. Look up Teddy Riley for a more new jack swing sound that was the parcel of Heavy D, Father MC, Mary J Blige when she first dropped as well as Jodeci and Early Janet Jackson. Even early Puffy remixes with Andre Harrell who used to be in a old group called Dr Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde are extremly dope in fact Puffy was Uptown Records in the mid 90’s which is a good label to check out. Check out old Roots Illadelph Haflife where they collaborated with the likes of Joe Sample and Roy Ayers. Also to find some of the beats and samples used for a lot of the old hip hop production turn your attention towards Lou Donaldson, Cal Tjader, The Jazz Crusaders, Jimmy Smith and Idris Muhammed. Hope this helps.
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