Hee Won Jung

Steelo, post: 20785, member: 1368 wrote: There is really nothing underground about any of those artists you mentioned. They are all quite mainstream. Not as mainstream as SMH, Guetta, Aviccii etc but still mainstream none the less. Fast Foot is unbelievably commercial cheese.

But I agree with the point you were trying to make…just not the examples

Yeah fair enuff, i agree. Its not what i usually play, but it was definitely not what the club normally played.

Fair enough bad music is bad music…but what you define as bad music…and what i define as bad music may totally be different things. It still is directly related to the scene you are spinning in.

There are way to many variables to define what is more important. In the Mainstream world…IE Hip Hop/Commercial EDM, there isnt really much mixing done…pretty much a straight 32 beat thing and off onto the next song…or in hip hop its a cut on the 1.
Where you often see amazing mixing is mostly done in the Underground scene. Now its a bit of a double edged sword here and heres my reasoning:
Often an amazing mix can totally be the highlight of the night. I have heard some amazing mashups done and was like wow that DJ is freaking amazing. People that dont know the specific songs that are in the underground scene will see this and truely appreciate it and give props when deserved. Now you put the exact same mix with a crowd that doesnt know the music…and they will probably bitching wondering where “Im Sexy and i know it” is gonna come on or “Oh sometimes i get a good feeling” and think the DJ is terrible.

The genre of music is also a big factor. There is no way you can do a 3-4 track blend with Underground Electro, or anything near that genre of music…it will sound like trash as the music is already waayy too busy. But then you take something like Tech House/Funky House/House and the music is a lot simpler and easier to do 4 track blending.

Sorry to ramble on…But i think this article while it doesnt relate directly to this post does have relevance

http://notyourjukebox.com/2012/05/19/why-old-school-djs-are-complaining-and-you-should-too/

Before the EDM Scene totally blew up and has now become the bastardized child like rap music is now adays, The “rave” scene was not about this song or that song…it was ALL about the MIX…no one knew what 1/2 the songs were and they were being carried through this journey by the DJ…and it was ALL about mixing…blending and creating a vibe and an atmosphere.

So i guess my point is…Underground scene is all about mixing…Commercial Mainstream Scene about The Song Selection

More to the point

How do you 5 decks at once? What program are you using? and how are you able to control 5 decks? Can you post something showing or something i can listen to that is using 5 decks?

9-12 is a pretty weird time, usually most places i goto dont really fill up until 12…with that said, go with the feel, and have a few different styles and genres on hand.

Terry_42, post: 19925, member: 1843 wrote: I think those haters of young DJs using cheap controllers are just afraid of the competition, that they actually have to listen to music again and feel the audience to win an audition or to keep a residency.

So Darren, buy the Ergo if it is the right controller for you. Play out for audiences, let the feedback decide. Have fun at what you do, love the music you play and try to get better at it every day. This is what makes a DJ, not the gear he uses.

Terry i understand where you are coming from but i have to agree with Hessler on this one. The investment is apart of what is being a DJ. I have a lot of friends who have real wax roots and they pretty much gave up a lot of their life and money to be a DJ…this shows true passion and how badly they wanted it. DJing back then wasnt about the fame or getting rich…they did it because they really had a true passion for the music.

Fast forward to todays day and age…and being a “DJ” isnt what it used to be. You have so many kids playing because they want to be popular and have no real passion for the music and just buy/download Beatport top 100 lists and play in front of their friends because they want to be cool, popular, and get laid.

Now i’m not saying that ALL the kids these days are like that…but the amount that are out there is staggering. With how easy it is to get digital DJ gear its very easy for these kids to have the ability to do that.

So back then you had a very small % of ppl were DJs and only the ones who were really passionate about it had gear because it was super expensive.

now you have 100X the amount of DJs and out of that 100X you still only have a very small % that are really passionate about the music.

I can walk into a club and just by looking @ the DJ know if he has passion for the music or if hes doing it cuz he wants to be cool, and im afraid to admit it…but 90% of the kids using controllers are doing it just to be cool. ie using sync, basic intro outro mixing, and playing nothing but popular songs one after the other…these are pretty tell tale signs.

I use a controller now not because of the cost…but because of the portability and being able to gig anywhere with it and have my exact setup.

But at the same time i have dumped large sums of money into my setup…Kontrol S4-1000bucks, Midifighter pro bm-500bucks, Alienware M15x $2,300.00, Krk 10″ Sub – 400bucks, 2 rokit 8″ 560 bucks. and i spend about 80-100 bucks a week on music…not necessarily new…but music that i am everyday expanding my knowledge and tastes to define me.

And that doesn’t even include for my PA system for doing my own shows.

Not that im bragging about how much money i spent thats not my point. What i think Hessler is trying to say is…there are way to many DJs out there DJing for the wrong reasons and the majority of those DJs are using the cheapest possible means to DJ for those wrong reasons.

Simon Pridmore, post: 19919, member: 2136 wrote: IThere’s also nothing wrong in using the auto sync in my opinion, I don’t run people down if they use it and have never mixed properly. People look down on others who use software such as VDJ, but by using the auto sync it allows you to be more creative in the mix (obviously in traktor you have had to set your beat grids correctly and Serato there isn’t one lol).

Coming from the aspect of the controller DJ I still very much Disagree with the whole argument that using Sync gives you more time to be creative.

It does NOT give you more time to be creative this is an excuse that 99.9% of Controller DJs who use sync use as an argument.

As i have said several times in these forums i spin 100% underground EDM, all forms of house, fidget, breaks etc. And really give me a freakin break…it takes me 10 seconds to get a beat to match, and using the quantize function i can jump to where ever i want to bring my song in. How does that extra 10 second window let you be more creative? It really doesn’t.

I want someone who is a sync using DJ tell me exactly how they are more creative? What does that extra 10 seconds give you? Lets you do 1 more filter sweep? start hammering on the loop roll/beatmasher? Honestly Beatmatching in Serato/Traktor is so freakin easy with Beatgrids and with the Beat Ticks in Serato that Beatmatching is a cake walk these days.

The reason why I feel so strongly about this is that i have seen numerous Digital DJs who just use sync and think everything is on beat…and it isnt…its close but goes like brapp brapp brapp and u can totally tell the 2 songs are just slighly off…

NOTHING will beat your ears…and you should rely on ears first and your software 2nd.