Halfamazing Debrassy
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ParticipantThere are a couple factors involved here:
#1 the old system is dead but we don’t know what is to replace it. So if you haven’t achieved internationally known or local “big name” status, you will never achieve the reaction by the people. The current system is NOT designed for you. But in reality, you should be the star but are not and for a reason. Standing in front of a dj watching him or her as if the dj was an animal at a zoo is totally different than everyone dancing and engaging.
#2 nightclubs today are event driven whereby local talent and culture is not groomed to become stars at home. Social media plays a big roll and the job of the promoter is to bring people in. Djs become stars in other cities before they can return and be appreciated in their own city AFTER. They didn’t even get a chance to play their song at clubs in their own cities but are being flown all over the place now. (Everyone has different experiences but we are speaking in general terms as a whole). The death of the dj residency has taken away the ability for identity, ability to break local music, push talent fwd, and maintain a regional dynamic. Now, it’s about playing host to guest djs or playing along 4-5 djs for 1 hour sets.
#3 booking agencies and promoters have killed the game as well. It’s a cash money business so to speak and people come to clubs for the “sound” not music. This is why people will go to a club because “deep house” or “techno” is playing. Not because they want to be taking on a musical journey. They want to hear what they like. So the promoter is going to contact the local booking agency and supply them with what the flavor of the month music is. Now, it’s deep tech, tech house/techno.
We can argue all we want about the minor differences. The bottom line is that guest djs are praised moreso than the home dj. Imagine if Spain praised the guest team over the home football team? This is the same concept for djing. The country’s best player is the man in football. He comes before anyone. All artists represent their city and state. But djing? Forget about it today. Before, yes.
So, the old way is broken, local djs are not getting cultivated, but we still don’t know what is going to replace even the current way.
Halfamazing Debrassy
ParticipantDeathy, Exactly!
My last post was removed because it was deemed politically charged by moderators. Well, at the end of the day, the truth will never come out because nobody really wants to know the truth. It goes well beyond music. Dance music and hip hop started as relaying political messages to people that came together with the same common purpose and knowledge. If speaking on culture is considered political, then we are doomed. This is why our new generation of djs have no clue about their history.
EDM aka Event Driven Music, is a culture onto itself. In the case of dance, each sub-genre of electronic music has its own culture and sub-culture because there are more people being impacted within each. Back in the day, it was everything under one roof. This is why you rarely have inter-mixing of sounds today and get mostly entire nights of techno, deep house, g-house nights, and EDM. These sub-genres have their own culture where people of like minds get together and enjoy that particular sound in the same place and have the same knowledge of that genre. Afro house is shared by many that are engulfed in that culture. Techno/tech house has its crowd, etc. Latin House has its own culture in South America/Spain and Miami where they all speak the same language and share same cultural values apart from music. Top40 has its and well as country. Now, the most interesting aspect is people can belong to multiple sub-genre cultures because they are so big.
Halfamazing Debrassy
ParticipantEDM aka Event Driven Music, is a culture onto itself. A culture as we all know is when a group of people share similar behaviors, beliefs, and values. In the case of dance, each sub-genre of electronic music has its own culture and sub-culture because there are more people being impacted within each. Back in the day, it was everything under one roof. This is why you rarely have inter-mixing of sounds today and get mostly entire nights of techno, deep house, g-house nights, and EDM. These sub-genres have their own culture where people of like minds get together and enjoy that particular sound in the same place and have the same knowledge of that genre. Afro house is shared by many that are engulfed in that culture. Techno/tech house has its crowd, etc. Latin House has its own culture in South America/Spain and Miami where they all speak the same language and share same cultural values apart from music. Top40 has its and well as country. Now, the most interesting aspect is people can belong to multiple sub-genre cultures because they are so big.
However, another aspect is that people are coming into their cultures at mid-point and attempting to redefine the genres. You ask people to define house and they will send you a link of “pump up the volume” and try to explain house with some metric 4 X 4 system. But what many people don’t realize is that pump of the volume is mostly during the inception and not the fabrication of the culture. Inception is the beginning whereas fabrication is when the culture began to define and branch out. And with that branching out came fashion, clothing, defined sounds, sub-genres, etc. “On and On” by Jesse Saunders is cited as being the first official “house record” by many. However, it isn’t identifiable to the current sound of house that has been a mainstay since the mid-80s up until now. Same with Hip Hop- people can say that djing starting by a disc jockey in Switzerland or that rap started in Jamaica. But the synergistic fabrication of the 5 elements such as breaking, fashion, graffiti- in relation to the hip hop culture, began in New York. Basically, EDM culture started overseas, Chicago, and NYC as individual electro, hard house, big room vocals, tribal progressive R&B/pop remixes. But it wasn’t fabricated as an Event Driven Culture with festivals, radio, commercials, etc., until around 2010 – give or take a few years.
Many people have no idea that Axwell was one of the most charted soulful/lounge house producers in Europe/Ibiza back in the early 2000s. Many people don’t know that Avicci was soulful and that Hardwell used to make soulful/Latin house in the mid-2000s because of the afro influence in Amsterdam. But the music that they produce now is not in any way related to the original and current culture in which they come from. Therefore, since those as part of the rooted house culture can’t identify with the likes of Axwell, Avicci, and Hardwell, they are now EDM- it’s own culture, which is identifiable to the like minded. If it doesn’t register by the original group, it isn’t part of the culture. Now, it doesn’t mean that they will never go back however, the gaps are so wide between underground and commercial today. The leap is too far to jump into the underground where the uber niche lives and they may rebel against anyone not life-time uber underground. The ones that lay in between are the ones that are suffering and have to work harder to gain attention now.
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<DJ Vintage> Let’s keep this a DJ platform, not a political one please.Halfamazing Debrassy
ParticipantIt’s been a while but I am back temporarily and will take this time to offer some experience to some of these deep thought questions. Don’t mind if I take it to another level. But one thing OP, if you use this for your paper, do so in your own words because I will be putting this up as an article on my website soon.
Let me answer the question first then go into details below. I have been doing more electronic dj coaching, nightclub and dj booking agency consulting so it has allowed me to see things from the back-end. I have been getting more complaints from producer turned djs that their booking agencies are not pairing them properly. Why? Because now venues are about the current “sound” rather than the music and flavors of the month rather than considering the long term identity of their venues. This creates “default” crowds because common people go for the sound rather than the resident or act. Most of this comes from promotional groups running things with no music manager to buffer between promoters and djs and or owners being hands off. So if techno is in, they will get techno djs- despite the venue having had 3 past weekends of open format/top 40 for example. This happens more often than people think. And also, it has become like a conveyor belt system and djs are just being pushed to keep everyone in business- hence why djs are getting kicked off or time slots shortened. It’s not reported often because of the 1 hour slots and 5 dj line-up concept. But because of the lack of experience, these poor producer turned djs are left out to hang- and that is where I come in and do the research for them and help them pair their sounds to the right nights and venues. This means less but more quality gigs because of more of a synergistic relationship between the dj and audience.
Producing is indirectly impacting the performance of the dj as they are separate disciplines/arts that have through time, been forced to merge. Contrary to popular belief, producing doesn’t always help with djing. Djing requires subconscious depth and width, whereas producing requires restricted depth and width. Meaning, production deals with fitting together incomplete puzzle pieces and djing with whole completed puzzles. However, both require knowledge in understanding sonic properties and may benefit each other on various levels based on several factors as explained below. Brains are wired differently- same has how some engineers are better at specialized tasks like transmissions while manufacture engineers oversee putting all the vehicle parts together. Coach vs player- (big picture vs specializer)
Today, art has so many moving parts- especially anything having to do with music. Just in the way we consume, produce, and perform has been altered drastically. As a result of the trickle-down effect, everything leads down and funneled into one hole. But surprise, it has failed the actual culture at its core.
Djing, with respect to nightclubs, is a separate art then producing as we know. But because of the above stated trickle-down effect, people no longer listen to full length mixes and albums but rather singles. So the result is that people produce in order to get the quick social response in order to perform these productions via dj platforms. Calvin harris didn’t make it as a band member but was able to apply his skills at production- but he has to perfrom his work via CDJs. As a result, many sets have gone from Single genre, to specialized sub-genres, and to now individual productions. You go to Calvin Harris to see him play his hits. It’s natural. But on the back end, more concentration is put on producing as it is more restricted and convenient via a laptop and headphones on a plane. Djing requires more components than many other art. However, it is not to undermine producing- which requires its own discipline and learning curve.
Djing requires the following:
IQ (Intellectual Intelligence) – the basic ability to hone and cultivate one’s craft and know-how in order to navigate within the business environment.
EQ (Emotional Intelligence) – the ability to relate to people, read a crowd, and pair music to the room’s demographic (young, mature, single race, mixed, hipster, European), time (opening, peak, or after-hours), structure (whether indoor or outdoor), lighting (knowing how varying lights impact moods over an extended period of time), etc. This requires intense exposure for those that aren’t naturally gifted “people person” types.
TQ (Technical Intelligence) – the ability to mix, cut, scratch, juggle, etc. All physical work in order to process a dj set to include, lighting, sound, and now visuals. TQ is entry level as anyone with enough basic skills can perform these tasks. What separates the best from the rest is the higher IQ and EQ (actually giving a crap about people on a much deeper level- almost to the point where you can pick out certain individual groups in a crowd and play a couple tracks for them to keep them in place) Same as what separates a leader that sees the big picture and cares for everyone vs an employee that simply shows up.
In order to be a master at your craft of djing, you must put in intense practice, expose yourself to a variety of demographics within your specialty, and listen to a variety of sounds. One has to apply all of this to the perspective demographic and venue landscape. But this also requires a deeper learning experience that often leads people to saying things such as “it doesn’t matter, just play good music”. It’s a sort of “just get the job done” attitude that is presented often with djing based on the absence of the middle-man aka proper promoters, music managers to properly cultivate a resident dj and room.
There is a whole lot more I can get into in terms of how the gap between extreme underground and commercial is widening and there no longer being a balance of sounds. This can be found in all forms from rock, rap, and dance. New generations have to choose between uber underground or high commercial at festivals but choose the more commercial route. This then means less patience, more producing, and the sacrificing of the art of djing. – All this comes down to my “trickle-down effect” theory.
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