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Alex Moschopoulos
ParticipantAnd one from Orbital…
Title: Halcyon (The Live Experience)
Artist: Orbital
Label: FFRRGenre(s): Breaks, Ambient House, Acid House
Year Released: 1992Granted this video isn’t the original, but it was the one I liked the most. The opening tone is from another Orbital hit, PETROL, but the rest represents their live version of their classic, Halcyon.
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ParticipantOne from Italy…
Title: Found Love
Artist: Double Dee featuring Dany
Label: Onizom Music / EpicGenre(s): House
Year Released: 1990Some might think this one is cheesy, but it’s a classic from 1990 when the European flavor of house infiltrated into the US. I just remember how much love Top-40 radio gave this tune, which is surprising compared to how political the radio is now.
Double Dee was simply an Italian Project featuring a small group of DJs and producers, obviously trying to make a hit record to elevate their careers. Found Love was simply catchy and yet had a nice flow for club DJs to play with.
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ParticipantThat means you too Vintage…
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ParticipantHere’s mine for this week…
Title: Out Of My Head
Artist: Barry Obzee & Lawrence Friend
Label: Jungle Funk
Genre(s): House, Tech HouseJust a thumpin’ tune with a smooth flow and vocal bits to keep it grounded. Not much more I could say on this.
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ParticipantGuilty as charged. I love doing it and love when I recognize an old tune in a new one.
Plus it just screams to me which tunes were creatively produced versus which ones seem “phoned in”.
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ParticipantI got into hip-hop and breaks in the 80s, and house in the late 80s. Didn’t get decks until 1991/1992.
The 70s must have been an amazing time to be a DJ.
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ParticipantGerdB, are you secretly a pimp…cuz you got the whole soundtrack solid.
I imagine you could rock this booth:

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ParticipantHere’s another one for me…
Title: Chicago Southside
Artist: CZR
Label: Underground Constructions (UC)Genre(s): House
Year released: 1996This track in my opinion was a seminal moment for CZR. While CZR made his debut in 1990, his releases between 1994 and 1996 were some well-crafted, but often formulaic Chicago-style hardhouse. Granted CZR’s releases were regarded as the best in that subgenre, many of us not into that scene saw that sound as lacking any depth.
Then CZR released an EP called “Another Level”, which featured another hard tune entitled “Climax” and “Chicago Southside” on the b-side. I swear I heard Chicago Southside pumped all over the place, from underground to mainstream. Granted it was just a heavy sampling of Gene Chandler’s small hit “When You’re #1”, it showed the city a different side to CZR, and thus we watched him grow and evolve into the more funky and groovy sides of deep house and jackin’ house.
While CZR hasn’t been heavy in the scene lately, his anthem still is a local favorite here.
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ParticipantI have one I keep on shuffle in my phone that’s not usually my taste in sound…
Title: It’s Jazzy
Artist: Roni Size
Label: ChronicGenre(s): Drum & Bass, Jungle
Year released: 1997Who could never forget the plethora of broken beats that ruled the 90s underground. Being a fan of four on the floor, I usually never got into sounds like drum & bass or jungle, but you can thank those free CDs that came with UK magazines like Mixmag and Muzik, as they did expose me to much more than just house.
Next to Goldie, Roni Size is one of the big and respected pioneers of the sounds of broken beats. When I got rid of my old CDs, I did rip this one for my own personal enjoyment mainly because of the sophisticated funk and jazz elements Roni put into this tune. It just always reminds me of the 90s, when I was a younger adult just learning of the clubbing world beyond the USA.
Alex Moschopoulos
ParticipantWell, if you all want me to stop this, then I will.
I just find it amusing how many DJs there are here, but none of them really talk about music beyond “where can I buy mainstream stuff?” and “I hate pop music, why isn’t the underground celebrated?”
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ParticipantHere’s mine for this week:
Title: The Spirit
Artist: Jesse James and Wayne Dudley
Label: Whore House Recordings
Genre(s): House, Tech HouseDecember 8, 2015 at 8:57 pm in reply to: Are popular EDM DJ's really talented? Do underground DJ's deserve more credit? #2311531Alex Moschopoulos
ParticipantLook at David Morales’s Facebook page for an interesting opinion on this today.
Couldn’t find what you’re getting at. Any idea of what I should look for on his page?
Ross, you pretty much stated the sentiment of many who simply are not fans of pop music and/or “EDM”. I will admit in the 90s and 00s I carried that chip on my shoulder as well, and while in 2015 I’m still not a fan of pop music, I don’t carry the angst I used to hold on it all.
There’s a reason the underground is the underground. It’s not out of some conspiracy to hold back “talent” or “good music”. I use those in quotes because they are both SUBJECTIVE. In any case, the “underground” is merely the circle of music, art, talent, and creativity that isn’t widely embraced by the mass majority of society. That’s the simple viewpoint. In all this, it’s music and art that isn’t loved by the majority of consumers.
When I hear DJs and producers complain about what seems to be a lack of “talent” in the mainstream circle, I again try to reiterate that “talent” is subjective. However, I also like to point out two other factors:
1. If their beloved “underground” superstar suddenly was embraced by the mainstream masses, guaranteed a chunk of his/her fans would abandon him/her. They’ll claim how he “sold out”, even if he didn’t. What they’re really complaining about is how their “special thing” is now not their “special thing” anymore. They’re upset to see the office receptionist who listens to Justin Bieber suddenly dancing to the music said “underground people” embraced. It more shows how much they loved the perception of exclusivity as opposed to the music.
2. Most people do not go out to clubs or events for the same reason. So maybe the music nerd will go out to hear innovative stuff from what he sees as “talented performers”, but many more might want easily digestible music, funky costumes, massive crowd, loads of drugs, and a big light/pyrotechnic show. They want the EXPERIENCE over the music.
When I see the music of the top “EDM” acts, it is easily digestible, but that’s because they wanted it to be. When David Guetta was releasing his 2009 album One Love, he stated in interviews that he wanted to somehow bring dance music into mainstream America. He wanted it on Top-40 radio and in our lives as opposed to just in the clubs. I can’t blame him if he succeeded in that because it’s not like he hid that goal. He knew he had to combine the ideas of what he saw as dance music with what kinds of sounds and voices he knew mainstream America would get into. It’s why he went to the big pop/R&B singers and some rappers to make new tunes, and the people who normally never go into all this suddenly got into EDM.
Now as for the factors of pre-recorded DJ sets, faking it on stage, throwing cakes, big light/pyro shows trumping the DJ set, etc…that’s the music industry. I used to hear stories of 10,000-person events in Europe where they were playing minimal tech house on vinyl. I could buy it, but I don’t think that was as common as many want to believe. I’ll see video of events in the 90s and 00s and still see mainly poppy dance music played for crowds who didn’t make it as big a priority as the music nerds did.
In the end, DJs and producers need to realize that average people really aren’t as “into it” as they are. You could take the most talented techno DJ who can do 4-deck live mixing and remixing, and watch him struggle to get a decent crowd next to the kid with the top 100 pop tunes and a laptop. It’s mainly because the crowd liked the kid with his pop music. Now imagine if that techno DJ came in to play pop music in his more creative sense? Even then the crowd might prefer “easily digestible” over “wildly creative”.
I’ve been known as an underrated by many in my home town, but it doesn’t mean I “deserved” to play anywhere. It just meant that the community thought I was talented in my sets, but the hard reality was I didn’t have a big enough following to drive myself into bigger endeavors.
I’ll wrap up my rambling here. I think one should realize what “underground” really means as opposed to what they perceive it to be, and to be careful what they wish for in terms of mainstream popularity. I also think one should decide what they want out of DJing and producing when they embark. If they want to be a wealthy superstar, then they might have to pander to the marketing machine and water down their sound for people to digest. If they want to be an underground superstar, then be prepared to work even harder to go there. If they want to be “underground” and not work insanely hard, then accept you might not play the big events.
No one “deserves” or “doesn’t deserve” fame…but it’s not always going to come from what we think is “talent” or “creativity”. It comes from gaining a large fan base and audience. That’s the music business.
Alex Moschopoulos
ParticipantAnd some uptempo house for diversity:
Title: Shout Out
Artist: Tommy the Sound
Label: Check In Recordings
Genre(s): HouseAlex Moschopoulos
ParticipantOne new trance tune I’m enjoying:
Title: Not Made To Break (Omar Sherif Remix)
Artist: Re:Locate vs Robert Nickson & Neev Kennedy
Label: Amsterdam Trance
Genre(s): Trance, Vocal TranceAlex Moschopoulos
ParticipantPretty cool stuff. Glad to see Classic is still out there releasing deep house.
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