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  • in reply to: I think I did something right..help? #44873
    DJ Elroy
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    Chuck van Eekelen, post: 45015, member: 2756 wrote: Lots of good stuff there, with the possible exception of doing something for free, ESPECIALLY since you got asked!

    Don’t do free. There are a few posts on how to get around that hot potatoe on here.

    You’re right in this case. They approached you, and any promoter worth working with should assume some type of compensation will be expected. And you’re justified in asking for extra cash especially if you’re bringing everything (music, speakers, lights, etc) and not just showing up to use the clubs system.

    But in general, sometimes playing for nothing is the only option, especially in places where there are more DJs than gigs. There’s no shame in “paying your dues” and doing free shows to get some experience, name recognition, and (hopefully) build up a fanbase. Get this stuff under your belt and at that point you can ask for more per show.

    in reply to: I think I did something right..help? #44841
    DJ Elroy
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    When I was playing it was typically around $100-150 an evening, which could have been an hour or two or three depending on the show. I’d often agree to play for half that if it was a friends show, or if it was a guy that booked me regularly. I’ve also played for drinks & a guest list (more when I was first starting out, just to get my foot in the door).

    I know the big name locals here can pull double that, but they could also pull a lot more heads into the door.

    You will probably want to get them to sign a contract if you’re serious about getting paid. If it doesn’t matter to you either way and getting a chance to play is just as important as the money, a contract isn’t necessary. Just be warned, local DJs get burned all the time when it comes to getting paid (yes, even with a signed contract it’s sometimes hard to get any money, and it’s usually more expensive to enforce the contract than it’s worth in the end).

    My suggestion: Write up a contract, maybe agree to do a show or two free at their club so you can create a buzz, then ask for money. They may fire you after your free shows (have a termination fee in the contract), but if you get a good response from the crowd chances are they’ll keep you on for a while.

    Things you’ll need to consider when deciding how much to ask:

    • What gear do you have to bring?
    • How far do you have to drive?
    • Do you have to pay for parking?
    • Do you just show up and play or are you expected to be there before doors open til after closing time?
    • How much do the other DJs in the area get paid?
    • Are they paying per hour or per show? Is it a flat rate, a percent of the bar/door, or per head?
    • Are you playing once a month? Once a week? Several times a week?
    • Are you making any promises? (Like a guarantee for x-amount of people in the door each night)

    And remember, if you ask for too much some new DJ might undercut you in a few months once you’ve got a decent club night built up. Or if it’s like you said and the club is usually packed anyway, they could probably get away with a “free” DJ anyway. Don’t price yourself out of the market!

    in reply to: Finally.. #44822
    DJ Elroy
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    Awesome! Nothing like that feeling of getting your first chance to make something happen. Good luck, and don’t get discouraged if it takes a few weeks for word to spread.
    How big is your town, and how many people do you know that like EDM?

    in reply to: First gig in a club with a decent sound system. Any advice? #44572
    DJ Elroy
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    So how did this gig go?

    DJ Elroy
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    Yep, it’s possible to work the up-faders and EQ at the same time, but as Terry42 says, it takes practice. Back in the day we also had to “ride the pitch”, pinch the spindle, etc at the same time. Everybody had their own system to maximize the 2-hands-10-tasks problem and fine tune transitions in the mix.

    Just go with whatever works best for you, but don’t be afraid to step outside the box and try new things while you’re practicing at home.

    DJ Elroy
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    Thanks! Been using the avatar for a while now but I can’t take credit for the design. Actually it’s been so long I don’t remember who made it for me, but I love still love it!

    And yes, raves used to be more than an event; they were an adventure. Spending all Friday afternoon picking out an outfit (yes, I was once a JNCO wearing, white glove dancing, pacifier chewing goofball. No, don’t ask for pics), making sure we had party favors, refreshments, etc, picking out a selection of mixtapes for the ride to and from the show, and getting in touch with friends and planning where and when to meet (this was before everybody had cell phones so we had to plan ahead). At the designated time we had to call for the “map-point” location, and we all met there for a little pre-party. Sometimes we just hung out and traded mixtapes in the parking lot, sometimes they actually had a local DJ there. Once we got the map to the venue we were off!

    The venues were pretty cool too. Sometimes they were just empty warehouses, sometimes old roller rinks, a few times we went to an old fairgrounds after hours, or sometimes in the middle of fields, or maybe at racetracks, or in empty strip malls, or in parking garages. My first party was in an old junkyard that had been turned into an outdoor paintball arena. I think one of my most memorable shows was at Bishops Castle. We’d be partying til the sun came up, we’d grab a bite to eat, go home, sleep a few hours, then meet at a park or something for BBQ and to plan the show for the next evening and the cycle start over again…

    But when the promoters started getting shut down, some tried to move the events to club settings. Sure it was more legit and legal, but a lot of the magic was lost. I feel sorry for the kids just coming into the scene today that didn’t get to experience that.

    So maybe I’m jaded when it comes to clubbing nowadays. I’m not saying I’ll never go to another show, but will I ever be a weekly club fly again? No way. That period of my life is long past. But I know a lot of people in their 20s or 30s or older that do still enjoy going to clubs. They are generally cleaner, more organized, more centralized, and have built-in sound systems and gear.

    DJ Elroy
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    I’m an old school DJ and learned to mix using my ears and have ever since, but it’s interesting to hear from somebody that learned by watching a screen before learning to beatmatch by ear. I’d say as a DJ it’s more fun to mix by ear, and as somebody in the crowd I’d rather not see the DJ in the booth staring at a screen.
    Yes, I use my channel faders to mix together songs and the crossfader for any quick cuts or scratches. Seems to get a smoother mix that way.

    in reply to: Greetings from Denver #44483
    DJ Elroy
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    Haha no worries! I like reading as much as I like music! (Just a little too busy this afternoon for any in-depth replies) 😉

    in reply to: Greetings from Denver #44478
    DJ Elroy
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    Wow wasn’t trying to get such a long reply in my intro post 🙂

    Don’t have time right now to address all of your (mostly valid) points. Here’s a few quick thoughts:

    “Popular” is fine, but when retail appeal becomes more important than musical inspiration things quickly become stale.

    Believe it or not, there was actually a time that dance music was considered “underground”, not mainstream. I’m not talking about the Top 40 guys or wedding jocks, I was referring to the “rave” DJs and that whole culture.

    Disco started small but burned out quickly after it peaked. Sure you can say it’s survived in some form into the 90s and beyond, but it’s changed so much I wouldn’t really call it disco anymore. I see the same thing happening to our beloved dance music.

    I don’t think DJing will die off but I do think it will get so convoluted, contrived, and superficial that those of us that experienced the early days won’t enjoy it as much as we should.

    Cheers!

    in reply to: Music Selection or Flow? #44474
    DJ Elroy
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    You can only get so far if you don’t master both.

    Music selection is important for the obvious reasons, and flow is more subtle.

    I think it also depends on your crowd, the venue, and the time you play. Flow is a lot more important to an opening act than a headliner that can get away with playing all hits with little direction.

    DJ Elroy
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    In my younger days I preferred going to “raves” as they were called back then. The clubs were just a place to meet up with friends and network, but the underground parties were where the action was. This was back in the mid-late 90s and that all changed when new laws were made to stomp out these parties.

    For a while I didn’t have much choice but to go to clubs. Sure, there was some good music and fun people, but it wasn’t an adventure like the rave experience. Still, I stuck with it for a few years, but in the past year or so I haven’t been out at all. Is it because of my age? Yes. But it’s more accurately because of where I’m at in my life, not the number. Some people get to this point in their 20s, some in their 40s, some never get there.

    A few reasons (or excuses?) I don’t go clubbing anymore:
    -Don’t enjoy the music that comes thru town as much as I used to
    -Don’t like being the “old guy” in a room full of 20 yr olds
    -Got tired of the politics and drama of the club scene
    -Got married, settled down, etc. Time is limited.
    -Work became more than just something to do while waiting for the next party. My job became my career.
    -Don’t “party” like I used to. Pretty clean, actually, after all these years.

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