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ParticipantI usually ignore this, and I might write a rant on my blog as to why people need to stop making a big deal out of this list.
Every year it’s the same thing, the list comes out and the same 10 names are somewhere in the top 15. Then we see a bevy of people griping and complaining to death about how that chart never highlights the newest and brightest talent. Blah blah blah. Then Resident Advisor comes up with their own list of DJs most people (except that clique) haven’t ever heard of. Usual story.
Hey…guess what? Most of the people voting in these polls are not DJs. They’re not even people who are deep into the music like we are. They’re clubbers who really only go out for booths/bottles/attention or for some massive name DJ…the very guys who normally are in the top 15.
Maybe instead of people griping why their favorite guy didn’t make the top 10, they should praise that he/she got into the list with the bazillion other DJs out there…and if the guy didn’t even get into the list. WHO CARES?
I don’t think people who supported said DJ will stop supporting him/her just because he/she didn’t get into the list.
Ok, there’s the gist of the blog I will write now. Thoughts collected…carry on.
UPDATE: Posted.
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ParticipantTo me, it’s about the love and the drive to get better at it.
Live or bedroom. It’s about wanting to get better and expand yourself more musically.
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ParticipantIt’s a good idea, but then they should include the means for the track to be used in any program. Like having a .tqd file for Torq and the same things for Ableton, Traktor, VDJ, and Serato.
I dunno. I never seem to have issue with it. One scan and 99% of the time the track is perfect in Torq.
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ParticipantPhil Morse, post: 5087 wrote: There’s a difference between being forced not to DJ by health, or choosing not to having done it before, and never having played live in your life. DJing is done in public; but it’s also true that once you have that experience you can pick and choose (including choosing not to do it live at all for whatever reason).
Exactly. In my case, I’ve been there and done that. I’ve played in big clubs, small clubs, and raves/parties of all sizes. My choosing not to actively seek live gigs anymore came simply because I was tired of having little control in how I wanted to do the live gigs. You get sick and tired of being booked to come out and play trance or deep house, but then the promoter filled the venue with trixies wanting pop music and thus you’re forced to change.
I look at things as there’s loads of hungry guys who are willing to play and claim to love the Chicken Dance to have that gig. So let them go through that and I’ll be one less DJ they have to compete with. I’m not unwilling to play live anymore, but I’d rather stay a bedroom nobody at this stage of my life and occasionally play gigs (even for nothing) that I think are cool and fun, rather than to spend week after week hating DJing as I’m stuck playing craptastic music to people who only want garbage.
It took over 10 years of playing and even throwing/promoting events for me to figure out where I’d be happy in DJing. Even now I get excited about making more Remembering the Rave or Looking Back mixes as well as new stuff I want to put into more modern sets, and I get excited about a promo I get and post on my Tumblr page. I like sharing my experiences on these boards and in the blogs just even to hopefully help you all avoid the hell I went through.
I’ll tell any DJ to play live a few times and then decide if you want to be a working DJ or a bedroom DJ. Get out there, give demos, network, promote, play, deal with requests, trixies, douchebags, shady promoters, etc…and then you’ll see if you love it or hate it. Who knows? You might get lucky and never face the BS I did. You might one day be in the DJ Mag Top 10 and barely have any horror stories to tell.
In your case Emma, you have a very valid reason. Plus I’d be careful on many videos people post talking about what it takes to be a DJ. I tend to see a lot of them are from vinyl purists and misguided folk.
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ParticipantEDM to me can be liked the way someone would like a rock tune, rap rune, or pop tune. The reason we don’t see it across the board is the same reason why a lot of music doesn’t get there. EDM can be arranged “traditionally” with vocals, choruses, bridges, etc…or it can get totally abstract.
So whenever you hear EDM in normal airplay on the radio, you notice how much it’s kept in that more “traditional” sense. Even tunes that rocked the clubs can and will be changed up to be more friendly to the non-clubbers. A great example I usually recall is Anthem by Filo and Peri:
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If you check out that video, and have heard the versions being sold for DJs, they are different. The DJ versions are more abstract and longer, as they’re done in the more traditional sense. The added verses and sounds though for that clip more or less format the tune into a palatable version the radio listeners can get into. I’ll admit even I have this as an MP3 on my iPod.
I ignore the people who complain when no one supports the music, then complain again when their music blows up into the mainstream. Watering-down and dumbing-down the music is nothing new. You look at any recent tunes from David Guetta, Ke$ha, Katy Perry, or Black-Eyed Peas and you’ll see how much it’s watered-down compared to electro-house people were playing for years.
That’s life. I remember when European artists watered down the new wave sound into the Hi-NRG sound of the early 90s, and then watered down rave techno into the euro sound of the mid-90s, then in 2001-2003 they took trance and watered it down so average Joes will get into it.
Can it be liked normally? Maybe…but I think the DJ element is part of what makes people like EDM. Many listen to the dance shows on satellite radio, Radio 1 gets a lot of worldwide listenership, and people listen to mixes off the internet all the time. Even I personally prefer to listen to EDM as a DJ set. It’s one of the main things that drives me to make new mixes. I have a bunch of new tunes, so I make a mix to enjoy them in.
That’s a good thing though…it shows how dependent the music is on the DJ and likewise. It makes it unique.
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ParticipantI think as long as you’re not selling advertising, then you can post your podcast anywhere you are allowed. Mixcloud is one spot, iTunes is another.
Just come up with a good idea and market it well. There’s a gazillion podcasts out there, and the winners are the ones who put in the time, stay in it for the long haul, do something unique, and market it well.
My biggest advice is to reach out to NON-DJs. Seriously. Reach out to people who go clubbing, raving, whatever…and get them to tune in.
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ParticipantEmma Partnow, post: 4915 wrote: I Agree;
Obviously there Are some Genres that are so Radically Different a Label is ‘Helpful’l
But; from what we knew as just ‘House’; to Minimal House; Progressive House; Deep House; Hard House; Tech House; Ad Infinitum; things have started to get a little RidiculousDerrick May would so agree with you.
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ParticipantI think with club and rave DJing, there are certain “levels” you achieve that more or less decide how much of a say you have.
When you’re a nobody and some bar or club is bringing you out to play music to the crowd, then you’re expected to take requests because you’re the one hired to please the people the owner or promoter brings you.
However, when you achieve a level where YOU are the one bringing the crowd out, then you can dictate things. If 500 people show up to hear you play, and one girl is making a hissy-fit because you won’t change the music for her, anyone will agree the masses call the shots. So if the room wants hip-hop and the one girl wants reggae, then majority rules and she should accept it or leave and go to a reggae venue.
I think too many people, especially girls, simply make requests out of a desire to “feel special”. They really don’t care about anything other than feeling like a big-shot because they can ask the DJ for things and he’ll do it.
As a DJ, if you don’t like requests, then either stay out of most avenues where it’s required, be a bedroom DJ, or build up a following to the point that they’ll side with you before some trixie with a princess complex. It’s like gladiators…whoever has control of the crowd can dictate the rules.
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ParticipantI remember seeing DJ Armando show up to Medusa’s and play with two turntables and a reel-to-reel.
I used to edit some tracks on older wav editing software, then play them into my set when I used a 4-track recorder to make mixes. I carefully manipulated the pitch control on the recorder to somehow mix it in.
I’ve said before how many DJs in the 90s used ProTools to make mixes, using sequencers, editing, and warping.
This is a redundant point. DJing isn’t just about rotating platters, but about making sets or even music with other pieces of music.
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ParticipantWhatever.
In ten years we won’t see these crybabies around anymore. We’ll see millions of DJs on midi, laughing and telling those guys they live in the past and should grow up.
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ParticipantI got into this topic in an article I posted on my blog.
The thing is I agree with Kid Capri. When you work yourself into a headliner position, you’re brought out to play music the masses know you for. People come out to see what you’re playing and what you’re into…not to tell you what they want to hear.
I stand by what I said in the blog entry. There is a time and place, and that was NOT the time and place. Capri may have been a bit dramatic, but I imagine he probably gets one or two of those per night and thus is tired of it. I can’t blame him.
People who go clubbing really need to stop thinking it’s all and only about them and they’re instead being a part of something bigger. It’s the same when you go to a rock concert. Would someone climb up on the stage at a Dave Matthews Band concert and ask Dave to play Freebird? Or sing Happy Birthday to their gal pal?
I’m of the mind that when you see it’s a bigger name playing that night, accept that you can’t make requests. Don’t like it? Go find another spot with a local guy playing who has to take requests.
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ParticipantThis is hard. My only feeling is just not to cause a drastic change unless you have to.
Like I would not try to go from trance music to hip-hop in a blend. If I had to change the music, I’d slam it in or something.
Only rule is it has to work. In the past you saw loads of genre crossover. Most DJs didn’t even use genre names in their marketing/branding.
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ParticipantEmma Partnow, post: 4754 wrote: Old : Carl Cox Live @ The Second Summer Of Love 1988
I would love to hear that.
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ParticipantI still support the Fire, but I accept the fact the MLS owners don’t have the money the European teams have. Manchester United will spend top dollar for the best talent, and even that could mean talented soccer players from the US.
Face it, if any top athlete is being offered 5-10 times more to play in another country over the US, would they pass that up?
I’m fine with it though. The US still leads in baseball, basketball, American football, and I think hockey. We don’t have to be the “top” at everything. Just wish I could watch more European football without having to pay a bundle to some cable/media company.
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ParticipantIn the beginning I just used to make personalized cassettes for friends. Total trainwrecking on the blends though since I had no clue what I was doing.
First time I ever made one cassette and handed out multiple copies I called it “Club Underground”. I drew an image or an open manhole cover and the idea of a party underground. I think this was 1993.
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