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ModeratorYeah, but I would not suggest that. It will work in a pinch, but shouldn’t be your regular way of connecting things. There is level mismatch between the two. I’d stick with RCA-RCA unless you run long distances. And in case of long distances, on the RCA side of things you’d use something like the ART Clean Box which adapts level and converts balanced <-> unbalanced and vice versa and then run XLR cables from your controller to the Clean Box near your mixer.
Just get a solid RCA cable (don’t worry about gold-plated connectors and such), better than the ones that come with your home AV system 😀
Something like this: http://www.bax-shop.nl/tulp-/-rca-kabels/procab-cla800-2x-rca-male-2x-rca-male-kabel-15m/product-details.html will do just fine.
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ModeratorYep … you mix your RX tracks on the RX with the fader on the 750 open. I do recommend thorough 0dB gaining before you start, first gain/trim on the RX channels, then setting RX master so you are at 0dB with channel fader full open. Then on the 750 gain/trim all channels to 0dB. That way all your channels will sound equally loud on the 750 master out going to the speakers.
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ModeratorThere is no way to “split” the channels from your RX to 2 channels on your 750.
You can of course run RCA master out from your controller to RCA in on the mixer’s 2 or 3 channel. That said, you could potentially use your 1210s either direct (regular vinyl) or through a sound card (DVS) on your RX. All you need to do is flip the input switch on the channel and you are good to go. If you really need full control over 4-decks then you’d be better off looking for a 4-channel controller with built-in DVS capability (DDJ-RX/SX2 come to mind if you want to stay with Pioneer). You’d be giving up the RekordBox facility though and would have to replace the on-board screen with a laptop with DJ software. The DDJ-RX comes with free version of RekordBox DJ.
Hope that helps some.
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ModeratorI have moved your post to the correct forum, this is clearly not an introduction but a question about DJ gear. Please take care to post in the correct forums.
Secondly, it pays to give a more descriptive title for your post. Things like “Information request” don’t really attract readers.
Thirdly, I would like to give you a tip to NOT publish your email on open forums.
On-Topic: Unfortunately this is not the way this works. Picking a controller is a highly personal matter and dependent on things like workflow and from workflow to software choice to budget to a shortlist of 2 or 3 controllers. There are many (recent) posts on the subject of chosing your (first) controller.
All the controllers you mention are high quality gear. They also all have their particular features. Since you are the one that determines if having a certain feature is necessary or if the lack of a certain feature is a bad thing, we can not help you with that choice. Clearly Pioneer is always on the higher end of the price scale. Denon is good value for money and usually built like a tank. But that is meaningless if the controller doesn’t fit your needs, in which case it suddenly becomes very expensive.
More generally speaking, you have not told us a single thing about the kind of DJ you are, the kind of genres you play or what you are trying to achieve. All the controllers you mention are high-end. They are in a bracket where you should only buy them if you know enough about them to know if they fit your workflow and you should already know what software you are using/will be using. If you are actually a beginning DJ, I strongly suggest NOT getting one of these controllers as they are way to advanced to start with. If you are not a starting DJ, I suggest you follow our plan for picking a new controller based on the experience you already have.
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ModeratorHi Churt, welcome to the forums. Enjoy your time here.
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ModeratorI would suggest the How To Digital DJ Fast course. It will take you through various effect (FX) mixing techniques, as well as using drop and cut mixing to change genres and/or big bpm differences.
June 9, 2016 at 7:47 am in reply to: USB 3.0 Ports Work Perfectly with Audio Interfaces and Controllers? #2406111DJ Vintage
ModeratorNo guarantees I am afraid. Especially with Windows there are just too many potential gear combinations that it’s impossible to say if something will work 100%. Even on the Apple side of things I’ve been hearing some Traktor problems recently.
That said, USB3.x is backward compatible and should work. These are official design specs and are valid for any USB 2.x device. Clearly there will be always cases of some kind of incompatibility, just not possible to predict for which gear. I have not heard of any specific generic problem in that area though. Then again, I don’t hear everything 😀
Not sure why you’d want to go back to Win7. I am no great advocate of upgrading OS at the first opportunity, but it seems Windows 10 is now stable. For sound I would personally always try using Asio4All drivers rather than the factory ones, but that is just my personal choice.
One thing that you can always try is using a powered USB 2 hub, that way your gear (audio interface, controller) “sees” a USB 2 connection.
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ModeratorIt’s what we are here for 😀
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ModeratorIt’s what we are here for 😀
June 8, 2016 at 3:35 pm in reply to: Pioneer DDJ-RB vs Numark Quad 4? Rekordbox dj vs Mixxx and VDJ LE? #2405811DJ Vintage
Moderatorwell, between the Pioneer and the Pulselocker website you should be able to gather all the info you need on that topic.
If you are not sure about RekordBox DJ, my choice would be the DDJ-SB2. You can use it with other software if you like. The RB ties you to RekordBox DJ.
RekordBox DJ is a work in progress, they are implementing new features at a pretty high rate, but considering that the first releases missed quite a few things that is not surprising. Clearly it offers the best integration with R-series controllers and Pioneer club gear (CDJs). As I said earlier there really is no best in software.
Currently I’d say there are 6 major/semi-major players in the DJ software market for PC/Laptop/Mac (again in no particular order):
Serato
Traktor
VDJ
RekordBox DJ
DJay Pro (Mac only)
Mixvibes CrossAll have their unique qualities. Which qualities/features matter most to you I can’t determine. That is your homework to do.
The Digital DJ Tips Software Buyers Guide (free) is a good place to find all software compared.June 8, 2016 at 2:31 pm in reply to: Pioneer DDJ-RB vs Numark Quad 4? Rekordbox dj vs Mixxx and VDJ LE? #2405711DJ Vintage
ModeratorIf you like 4-decks, then you’d best get a 4-channel controller. Not really worth the trouble otherwise.
Choice of controller though starts with determining your workflow, picking the best software for that workflow, then setting a budget and finally picking 2 or 3 controllers that fit workflow, software and budget.
Picking things before you really know what you need/want or because “you have heard about a brand)” is really a bad idea. What I might find the perfect solution might not work for you at all and the other way around. So it’s impossible to advice you on what will work specifically for you.
Same goes for DJ software, they all have their pros and cons and one mans con can be other mans pro. There is simply no such thing as THE BEST software, only software that is best for YOU.
Pulselocker (the streaming software) is not free as far as I know but has a subscription plan.
Some things to wonder about:
1) As a beginner do you want to focus on 4-deck use or do you want to get all the basics down correctly first.
2) If you really feel you need 4 decks on a regular basis, would it not be better to have 4 actual decks (for example adding two mediaplayers or single deck controllers to a 4-channel standalone controller?
3) Why do you want streaming service? Is it for music discovery, is it because you don’t want to buy/own your tracks or is it because you feel you need access to the whole world collection of music and then some?If you don’t have a controller yet and you are not all that sure what you need/want in a controller yet, I’d stick with a 2-deck/2-channel starter controller and get all my skills and collection in order. Then, by the time you are ready to upgrade, many of the questions you ask now you will have figured out the answer to yourself.
Our usual suspects for starter controllers are (in no particular order):
General DJ Software support:
* Pioneer DDJ-SB2
* Numark Mixtrack Pro 3
* Reloop Beatmix 2
* Denon MC2000 (or MC4000 depending on available budget)
Traktor software
* Traktor S2
RekordBox DJ
* Pioneer DDJ-RBDJ Vintage
ModeratorIn essence I agree with you.
Some considerations I would like to share with our readers are:
1) Even if it’s ok to use a “calculator”, it pays to know how to do it manually. You might not have a calculator handy sometimes, the batteries may have run out or, heaven forbid, the calculator gets it wrong about 20-30% of the time (as happens with bpm/beat grid determination by most DJ software for a variety of tracks). Knowing how to beat match without the tools will give you the full span of control, rather than having to depend on only the tracks the software got right and/or that you prepped correctly in advance.
A practical example is the hand-over from the previous DJ. Fair chance you won’t be able to use sync on his track, so doing a manual beat match (not knowing BPM or anything) is a powerful tool. It will give you great confidence knowing you can do it and also give you peace of mind as you know you won’t be faced with a situation you can’t handle.2) Manual beat matching, imho, only reaches it’s full potential when you can blindly beat match two unknown tracks on media players that don’t even have bpm read-out. In the vinyl days we’d call them turntables :-P.
At this point you can mix anything with anything that is somewhere in the +/- 5 bpm range. Experience will tell you if you can make the mix or not and it will tell you shortly after you’ve started adjusting the bpm of the incoming track. So, even if you are faced with using your backup CDs on some old set of CD-players and a rickety ole FX-less mixer, you can still get your game going.3) No matter your technical prowess, it is not the gear nor the (technical) skills that makes the DJ. We have said it here many times before and I’ll gladly repeat it: “The most important skill for a DJ is KNOWING what must come NEXT”. If you learn to master that one skill, everything else becomes secondary at best.
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ModeratorWelcome to the wonderful world of digital DJ-ing. BPM, like key and beat grid isn’t exact science. Traktor is notoriously bad at beat gridding anything that isn’t neat and tidy EDM-ish music. Some other software, notably Serato and Mixvibes Cross are at the other end of the spectrum and get even “hand-drummed” tracks right a lot of the time. And while the chance of getting the beat grid wrong is bigger than the chance of getting the bpm wrong, there is often some correlation.
Since we are advocates of very slim DJ collections (500-600 tracks for Phil, between 1.000-1.200 for me for example) and also of being extremely picky about new tracks entering your collection, it is unusual for me to add more than 5-10 tracks a month. And with that minimal amount of tracks, it’s not a very big deal to manual check them all for bpm and beat grid (and key if you like).
At the end of the day there is no software that gets all of those things right all of the time. So no matter which way you go, you will always have to spend the time checking and where necessary correcting things. It CAN pay to do some tests with other software to see if the results there are better. If they are, this might be enough reason for you to switch. Be careful though, if you switch, you me lose your cue/loop info and such and thus replace one time-consuming task with another.
I used to feel lots of frustration like you years ago when I was tossing tracks in my collection by the boatload, but no longer do I feel that way. I now consider the attention I give to those 5-10 new tracks each month as valuable and a great way to get to know the tunes intimately.
iTunes: I am not sure I will get all the exact terms right (I am using a Dutch version and doing on the fly translation), but this should help you find the right settings:
btw: Best is to start with a clean iTunes database to try this, so you can always go back to the old one should you need to.
Click Edit
Pick Preferences from the drop-down menu
Click Advanced tab
You should see a relatively big text field titled “location iTunes Media”
Type the path to the root of your music folder here (d:\Music or C:\User\Tracks or wherever you want iTunes to look for your tracks)
Under the text box is a check box with “update iTunes Media folder” (or something similar). When checked iTunes will toss each music file in folders for albums and artists and give them a name based on things like disc #, track # and title. This is not what you want, so uncheck this one.
The next check box is “copy files to iTunes Media when adding to library”. This is also unwanted behavior, you want iTunes to leave your tracks where they are when you put your tracks in. So uncheck this one too.As far as settings for files this should do it I think.
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ModeratorThe things isn’t so much if you’ll learn quickly (btw I don’t think there is a way to speed up practice, it’s making hours and you can’t substitute time by something else like money), but that you don’t know what YOU want/need in a controller. Nobody, including us, can tell you what the best controller is for you at any given point in your DJ career. So what he might consider the most wonderful thing since sliced bread might be totally wrong for you.
The NV, while a nice controller, is a particular model and I have heard people that bought one and loved it and also those that regretted buying it. Either way, until you figure out what kind of DJ you are/want to be, what your workflow is/will be like and stuff like that, it’s really not a good plan to commit too much money towards your first controller.
I have no problem with used gear, especially starter controllers because they usually only get used in bedrooms and often get replaced after a year. So if you were to get an SB, MC2000/3000/4000, Mixtrack PRO 2/3, Beatmix 2 second hand you’d pay the smallest amount of money, can still recoup a bit of it when you sell it on when you are ready for your first upgrade.
I am a big Denon fan and can tell you that the MC4000 is great build quality and it has all the features you could need for quite a while. The only thing you might “miss” are the performance pads.
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ModeratorThere are plenty of posts (recent) on how we think you should go about picking a (new) controller.
Personally if you are just starting I would start with a starter controller (eliminating ones like the NV). All the “bells and whistles” you don’t need in that first fase when you are getting all your ground work in. The bells and whistles will only distract and tempt you to start playing around with stuff while you should be focussing on gettting the basix right.
Once you have some mileage on your controller you will start to know what you need/want and be able to pick a better suited follow-up controller.
Just my 3 cents as usual.
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