YEP ANOTHER ONE!!

To all the “Old school” It’s 2012 people, technology era. And enough with the “you ain’t a dj if you don’t use vinyl” and “you need to respect what my generation and the one before me did” get over it. We “digital dj” do a lot more that what you guys can do with 2 pieces of static noise making vinyl. A dj is the one that’s make the crowd go the dance floor.

atom12v, post: 14583, member: 1423 wrote: To all the “Old school” It’s 2012 people, technology era. And enough with the “you ain’t a dj if you don’t use vinyl” and “you need to respect what my generation and the one before me did” get over it. We “digital dj” do a lot more that what you guys can do with 2 pieces of static noise making vinyl. A dj is the one that’s make the crowd go the dance floor.

Strongly disagree with you on a couple of points there I’m afraid, personally speaking I’ve embraced digital DJing just as much as I embraced 2xTTs and mixer in the early 90’s BUT the attitude, approach and key skills to DJing haven’t changed.

Also regarding mixes with ‘2 pieces of static noise making vinyl’, you clearly haven’t done your homework, check out early Sasha, Carl Cox, Digweed mixes, lots of tricks going on there with scratching, accapellas, phasing with two copies of the track, even beat juggling with one track a bar or two behind the other. More recently, James Zabiela, amazing what this guy can do with 2 decks, used to see him in Southampton before his rightful rise to fame.

Sumir, post: 14556, member: 1335 wrote: I think you should understand , I started getting gigs in 1990. I first touched vinyl 2-3 years before that, and spent that time learning to mix. It’s an insult and a joke when someone has the audacity to over simplify , and take the passion out of what my generation, and those before me worked our asses off to build.

I started buying vinyl in 1990 when I wanted some house music tracks I could not get on cassette. I was playing vinyl records on my parent’s stereo for years before that. It wasn’t until 1992 that I bought a used paid of Technics 100s, and then upgraded to 1200s a year later. I played vinyl up until 2004 when I moved to CDJs, and then moved fully to midi a few years ago.

I know about the passion, and what WE all worked to build. I did that too. Passion is how you define it. For me, it’s about the music. Not how it’s brought, but how it sounds. To this day I still am passionate about what I play…which is why I choose to be a bedroom DJ and blogger. I didn’t want to just play the usual tunes to please average people…but craft sets the way I feel they should sound.

Never assume every DJ who walked away from vinyl (or never used vinyl) does not know that passion or what it means to build a scene.

Sumir, post: 14556, member: 1335 wrote: There is no meaning left in ti what so ever, no message. The only concern I see from today’s wanna be DJ’s , is for themselves. We did it to bring people together (I don’t know about you, your message seems to float in some other direction..but who knows), unity and an open place to get away from our society built lives. No need to put “old school DJ’s” in all caps, and accentuate yourself there. I’ll never agree with the approach today’s generation takes. I do not see any heart or soul or depth behind it.

I respect your feelings, but for me, this attitude a lot of the “wannabes” take is nothing new to me. I remember in 1996 when there was no Final Scratch, and a laptop was nowhere to be found in a booth, I’d see loads of kids buy used 1200s and pick up every hardhouse/booty house record Bad Boy Bill played. They would show up to play 10-15 minute slapped together sets with no sense of unity or melodic harmony. Transitions would be a mess and you would hear the same 10 tunes played over and over all night. They only thought about how many tunes they could cram into 10 minutes, if they could scratch, and what “nasty words” can come out to make women howl and shake their butts like putanas.

Fast forward to 2001. I’m watching eurotrash with egos who live on limewire, downloading everything and anything they can get their hands on…then pressing them to CDs and heading off to the clubs. I see them put CDs out for sale in local stores and cash in on stealing music. Again…no DVS was out there yet. No sync. Some of them would run their tunes through a DAW and fix all the BPM speeds to be equal. We would laugh at those who came in and never moved their pitch controls on the CDJs. Many more would get a tune and immediately chop it up into a quick homogenized DJ friendly version of short intro, main part, repeat main part, then short outro…so they wouldn’t have to think or be creative.

I also saw plenty of local rave DJs who didn’t own any gear or vinyl. They learned off their friends and constantly borrowed music from friends to go out and play with. I’d see some get paid money playing borrowed records and then spending that money on drugs and booze…while talented guys still couldn’t get gigs. These wannabes landed gigs because they were “popular” and folks came out for them.

My big point here is all this political crap has been happening long before sync ever existed. You don’t have to agree with the approach the newblood takes, and frankly I don’t agree with everything they do either.

What you have to do though is ACCEPT IT. It’s not going away. That and redefine how you judge a good DJ. Don’t be quick to dismiss him because he presses a sync button. Dismiss him when he can’t even blend with a sync, or he can’t do anything creative in his set. Especially dismiss him when he can’t do a manual blend when his sync fails.

That’s the passion, heart, and soul we all need to push. Push them to be better, and especially to widen the musical landscape. We can agree to disagree…but I just want you to understand that as much as you want to hate sync…it’s not going away.

D-Jam, post: 14619, member: 3 wrote: I started buying vinyl in 1990 when I wanted some house music tracks I could not get on cassette. I was playing vinyl records on my parent’s stereo for years before that. It wasn’t until 1992 that I bought a used paid of Technics 100s, and then upgraded to 1200s a year later. I played vinyl up until 2004 when I moved to CDJs, and then moved fully to midi a few years ago.

D-Jam, post: 14619, member: 3 wrote:

D-Jam, post: 14619, member: 3 wrote:

I know about the passion, and what WE all worked to build. I did that too. Passion is how you define it. For me, it’s about the music. Not how it’s brought, but how it sounds. To this day I still am passionate about what I play…which is why I choose to be a bedroom DJ and blogger. I didn’t want to just play the usual tunes to please average people…but craft sets the way I feel they should sound.

Never assume every DJ who walked away from vinyl (or never used vinyl) does not know that passion or what it means to build a scene.

I respect your feelings, but for me, this attitude a lot of the “wannabes” take is nothing new to me. I remember in 1996 when there was no Final Scratch, and a laptop was nowhere to be found in a booth, I’d see loads of kids buy used 1200s and pick up every hardhouse/booty house record Bad Boy Bill played. They would show up to play 10-15 minute slapped together sets with no sense of unity or melodic harmony. Transitions would be a mess and you would hear the same 10 tunes played over and over all night. They only thought about how many tunes they could cram into 10 minutes, if they could scratch, and what “nasty words” can come out to make women howl and shake their butts like putanas.

Fast forward to 2001. I’m watching eurotrash with egos who live on limewire, downloading everything and anything they can get their hands on…then pressing them to CDs and heading off to the clubs. I see them put CDs out for sale in local stores and cash in on stealing music. Again…no DVS was out there yet. No sync. Some of them would run their tunes through a DAW and fix all the BPM speeds to be equal. We would laugh at those who came in and never moved their pitch controls on the CDJs. Many more would get a tune and immediately chop it up into a quick homogenized DJ friendly version of short intro, main part, repeat main part, then short outro…so they wouldn’t have to think or be creative.

I also saw plenty of local rave DJs who didn’t own any gear or vinyl. They learned off their friends and constantly borrowed music from friends to go out and play with. I’d see some get paid money playing borrowed records and then spending that money on drugs and booze…while talented guys still couldn’t get gigs. These wannabes landed gigs because they were “popular” and folks came out for them.

My big point here is all this political crap has been happening long before sync ever existed. You don’t have to agree with the approach the newblood takes, and frankly I don’t agree with everything they do either.

What you have to do though is ACCEPT IT. It’s not going away. That and redefine how you judge a good DJ. Don’t be quick to dismiss him because he presses a sync button. Dismiss him when he can’t even blend with a sync, or he can’t do anything creative in his set. Especially dismiss him when he can’t do a manual blend when his sync fails.

That’s the passion, heart, and soul we all need to push. Push them to be better, and especially to widen the musical landscape. We can agree to disagree…but I just want you to understand that as much as you want to hate sync…it’s not going away.

I have no issue with the medium used. Check out what i said about that in an earlier post on this thread, think you missed where I clarified that. And I’ve even said I don’t have and issue with the sync button as a learning tool , but if the person using it has no desire to do it any other way, then they are NOT a DJ in my book. I‘m not talking about people who are trying to learn to beat match, so long as they fully understand that it is a central skill. Even if it takes them a year to develop the skill.[U] The lack of humility and ****talking like above is where I lose respect.[/U] (this comment is not directed towards yourself Djam, but the person who quoted me earlier) Of course we had people who were wanna bes and did not want to put effort or have any respect. Like I said earlier ..(and I’m sure you know this to be true) ..those people will NOT last. Because eventually they are seen through for what they are , even if at first they get gigs. I’ve seen it happen. But the percentage of real , humble DJ’s with heart vs wanna bes seems to be vastly different then in our time. MORE are in the latter category, and far less in the former category. Again with the passion comment, to make it clear..I have NO ISSUE with someone who does not or has not or will not use vinyl, just the attitude , intention, and approach for wanting to spin, dig? The medium has never been where I have a problem with , at all , what so ever. I love vinyl, but there can be vinyl DJ’s that are the same or worst, of course. Would I prefer everything was vinyl again? Hell yes, I love the sound and feel of vinyl… but times change.., no fighting that. Hope what I’m tryna say is more clear now.

Well said my east coast brothaaa. Since yer a new yowka (lol) , ya familiar with the Storm Raves? Held back around 90-93 er so

So that WAS you!….That crazy lil kid eating a twinkie on the side! 😉

atom12v, post: 14671, member: 1423 wrote: I’ll try to reply to all of you,
@ Sumir “Primary example of what “we” talk about, good luck out there ..absolute waste 100%” if you’re going to reply,please make some sense look like a 8th grader.

@ backtothefront “Also regarding mixes with ‘2 pieces of static noise making vinyl’, you clearly haven’t done your homework, check out early Sasha, Carl Cox, Digweed mixes, lots of tricks going on there with scratching, accapellas, phasing with two copies of the track, even beat juggling with one track a bar or two behind the other” I started many moons ago when I was 14 (heck some of you weren’t even born) Had my first equipment @ 15 (3) KD 1500 wich I still own 1, a 3 channel mixer which still own, Ka 405 amp which still own, (4) cerwin vega 15″, try beatmatching 3 1500. Using a fader back and forth to beatmatch, my 6 year all granddaughter been doing it for the past few month( she’s been playing around with my set up since she was 5) all this ain’t hard all you need is practice my friend.

@ Dj Hessler “Then tell me one Top 100 DJ that uses 100% software and controller and not CDJs/Vinyl?” I learn to keep focus in me, what I can do, what I want, were I’m going, I don’t focus on what other Dj do.But you want 1 name, Richie Hawtin.

@ Kairi_Yamoto “The medium in which you use to entertain your crowd doesn’t matter, and quite frankly, all the effects and options that we have to choose from today are largely due in part to those who MANUALLY implemented it before we did. “Old school DJ’s”, as you put it, want that respect because without them, what we’ve got today wouldn’t be possible.”
See my reply to backtothefront.

By the way I started in 1980 and yes I’m that old.

Obviously, you’ve remained the way you are for all those years. I could care less if you were 100 , you still are the exact image of what I was speaking of with the newer generation. At least they are young, and can still be taught..and change. Where you stand today, after all these years ..is a sad example of where one can end up with the improper attitude .

@atom12v, fair play, no worries, everyone’s entitled to a view, it’s a forum after all. However you weighed in with an antagonistic, patronising post earlier effectively suggesting ‘old school djs’ need to get with the times. I was merely suggesting that, as someone else has already said, with 2 decks and a mixer a lot of clever tricks were performed before the advent of digital DJing. Regarding the suggestion of practice, no probs, I do and will continue to do so. I’m quite comfortable with my abilities and experience.