Would you find a guide to using CDJs & "pro" gear useful?
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June 4, 2012 at 8:13 pm #1005614
longmover
Memberyou can practise and practise but nothing will prepare you for the difference in volume the first time you playout in a proper booth. especially using the monitor and cue and also how different music sounds very loud.
these things you cant practise.
June 4, 2012 at 8:16 pm #1005616D-Jam
ParticipantI think it’s a good idea…and if one things “why?”, ask them what they would do if a cat accidentally spilled an open beer on their laptop or midi controller…two hours before a gig.
June 4, 2012 at 9:00 pm #1005618Terry_42
KeymasterComing from the other side and went digital later I can say: If you actually CAN mix properly on a controller and are able to beatmatch etc. then you should have no difficulty DJing on CDJs (theoretically).
However the thing why most that started digital fail IMHO is the simple fact that CDJs and full blown DJ mixers look a lot more intimidating. Especially if you have high-end gear in the booth, say CDJ 2ks and god forbid a DJM 2000 and you will have no clue what to touch and what not. Even a DDJ cannot prepare you for that experience. To be honest, I do not see how a guide can prepare you for this overwhelming experience, if you do not have at least gear 2 notches below that to train on, which is a major investment. But then I have been proven wrong before hehe
Then there is the thing that many new clubs invest in different things, I know there have been times when every club that had a decent name had the standard CDJs at least and the bigger ones added Technics for the the vinyl guys. However these days I have been playing lately in one club that does not even have any CDJ, they have mostly controller DJs and they expect you to bring your laptop and controller and plug it into their PA. Another club has a SSL setup there, they expect you to show up with a laptop with a matching Serato library or your own setup, another has only cheap CDJ wannabes and a crap mixer for those that do not bring a controller etc. etc. etc. I don’t know about your end of the world but here in central europe that seems to be a trend in clubs, not really easy for a DJ…
June 4, 2012 at 10:22 pm #21369DJ Mark Moore
MemberI think the type of gear is going to varry from city to city. In Cincinnati Ohio most clubs in town that supply gear for DJs have a set of technics and a mixer and that’s all the provide outside of speakers. DJs are expected to bring head shells, needles, slip mats, and their control Vinyls… Most, in not all of the professional DJs are running on scratch live and it’s just expected that new DJs will accommodate that… Especially since it makes switching DJs in and out that much easier.
I think that new DJs need to physically go visit the places they are playing too see what they need to bring to be successful.
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June 4, 2012 at 10:55 pm #1005627Dayvue
MemberAlthough this could be useful, I imagine that people would much prefer a basic article on what a turntable is and how it works. Things like what a headshell and cartridge are, and how you know where to put the needle. Whereas most controllers are like CDJs in that it is a non-motorized platter, faders, and one song on each side, turntables are a little more difficult to understand if you’ve never used them before.
June 5, 2012 at 1:42 am #1005631Steelo
ParticipantI think it would be useful to explain the “industry standard” equipment that may be encountered, in the booth. Whilst digital gear is being embraced more, there is no standard setup you will find for this equipment. You will, however, find a set of Pioneer CDJs and mixer in the vast majority of venues. Many of them still with a pair of Technics turntables also. It can be particularly daunting to jump in to a booth and not be familiar with the equipment, when you’re starting out.
June 5, 2012 at 9:14 am #1005661Phil Morse
KeymasterDayvue, that’s a great point Steelo, thanks for “focusing” a bit more my thinking for me. Be interested to know what other people thing… how big is the appetite among hobby/consumer DJs for knowing and understanding “pro” gear, I wonder?
June 5, 2012 at 11:44 am #1005670Bradley Stone
ParticipantI think I can give an answer from a noobie perspective…
Firstly, the way I perceive people to generally start in DJing is to go on the internet and compare the different types of equipment with one another and then choose what they believe to be the best option available to them according to their budget, style of music and type of DJing.
If there is some sort of document out there that compares both the pros and cons of each type (CDJs, Vinyl and Digital), it will allow people to make much more of an informed decision as to what is best for them, as I have personally found that I have had to really dig for information without it all being in one place.
I know personally that I will eventually want to move onto CDJs when I start getting gigs and have learned the basics via digital equipment and thus it would be a good starting point for people who, as I have seen recently, want to move up or over to the CDJ platform.
Just my 2 cents 🙂
June 5, 2012 at 2:14 pm #1005681longmover
Memberas much as the guide will be a good idea and a good starting point, I think its one of those things you have to stumble through. the first time you get in that booth and play three records you would have learnt more than you have in the entire time you have been dj’ing, even if you fuck it all up.
June 5, 2012 at 3:47 pm #1005691J-Zed
ParticipantI think it would be a good idea to make the guide, it will be helpful to a lot of people out there.
I live in Toronto and almost every single club that I know of provides CDJs and some clubs won’t allow DJs to bring in their laptops at all. I don’t know why, but that’s the way it is. So, learning how to play on CDJs is essential, and having a little guide on how to quickly adapt would be nice before actually trying it.
June 5, 2012 at 4:32 pm #1005693Dj coRrupt Catalyst
MemberYES! this would be exactly what I’m looking for. I am currently a controlerist, but i have a CDDJ and a vinyl set that i really want to learn how to use. unfortunately, i don’t know where to start. all my friends who DJ use controllers, so i really don’t have anyone to teach me. If you made a guide on this, it would hopefully be what i need to educate me, as well as others, and help us further our DJing skills. Thanks!
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June 6, 2012 at 3:30 pm #1005740Phil Morse
KeymasterThanks guys, this is really helpful.
June 6, 2012 at 4:15 pm #1005747VinnyBlanc
ParticipantPhil if you could get a hold of a 2x CDJ 400 + DJM400 setup and compare that to the DDJ-S1 that should make for a pretty straight comparison. You can even run the 400s as midi controllers to control software.
I think 2x CDJ1000 + DJM 800 is a much more “real world scenario” though.
June 6, 2012 at 7:56 pm #1005759Arthur Kokanov
ParticipantYes, its always good to know more than you need. I definately want to look up vinyl for later on and I really wouldent know where to start. This would be help and may give me more of a perspective as a whole on DJing.
June 10, 2012 at 5:58 am #1005905Shishdisma
MemberI think it could be useful, but not in the way people are thinking of. A CDJ-2000 and DJM-2000 setup is not a complicated thing to use in any way, shape, or form, and most people could easily get to grips with the overwhelming majority of useable options in a few seconds. CDJs aren’t hard to use, you dont have to beatmatch by instinct or ear or whatever, there aren’t any massive rituals you have to go through to play on them, and there are no secret modes or options you have to go through to do the extent of their ability. Literally every single useful feature, from deck to master out, is very clearly labeled on the unit.
The problem most “out of water” DJs have is thinking that it’s going to be a task to switch over, that they’re going to have to beatmatch blind and read a manual while they’re playing. Thus, a very simple explanation that transport and browse controls are universal, a basic run-through of the 2 different CDJ screens (“HOW I GO BACK TO TRACK?!” “Press the button that was glowing before…”), and a massive banner that reads “DOWNLOAD REKORDBOX AND USE IT OR STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE WAVEFORMS,” accompanied by a high resolution picture of a CDJ-2000/900 and DJM-2000/900, would be quite a comprehensive guide.
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