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  • #1004681
    longmover
    Member

    if you are only ever going to use a computer to dj then you dont need to.

    #1004683
    synthet1c
    Member

    if you can’t beatmatch you can’t do change overs… It’s also more fun to beatmatch as syncing is too boring imo

    #1004697
    Bradley Stone
    Participant

    If you play in a club that only has CDJ’s, you will need to be able to manually beatmatch else your mixes will be completely out of sync (No pun intended).

    #1004698
    Maximlee
    Blocked

    yeah there are loads of reasons really… the main one being you arrive at a club and the dj before you is mixing on cdjs..how you going to mix into his track?

    #1004699
    IznremiX
    Participant

    truth be told you can almost always take your controller to the club, and you could just ask the dj before you to filter out or something.

    BUT knowing how to beat match by ear is important for 2 reasons:

    a) there are going to be times when other djs are going to want to back to back mix with you

    b) it just improves your overall skill set. if you want to do things like cue point juggling, scratching, etc. you need to be able to tell if something is on beat or not

    #1004718
    Steelo
    Participant

    I am a big believer that every DJ should know how to beat match. All the reasons above more than validate why. What you gonna do when something went wrong with your beat grid or BPM count? The sync won’t function correctly so you’ll have to mix the tracks manually. Many accomplished or “big” (respectable) DJs may not beat match any longer but I’ll bet you they all know how to.

    #1004748

    Long ago, the differenec between being a DJ and a juke box was the fact a DJ “blended” songs together to form a seamless transition. before there were DVS and laptops, hiphop DJ’s had to coast to coast vinyl to make loops. these things and more made someone a DJ, and once again, how can you move forward without knowing where you been. so imo, everyone that calls themselves a DJ should know how to beat match by ear. and if you cant, i suggest you learn, cause it will only make you better.

    #1004750
    Reason808
    Participant

    Even though I love the sync button, manual beat matching still matters.:

    1. Beatgrids aren’t perfect, so learning how to adjust when things go wrong is a big plus.
    2. Not all dance music matches a beat grid.
    3. In the end you have to use your ears, manual beat matching really develops your ears to hear the finer points of phrasing and timing.

    #3 is the least technical. But I think it’s the most important. There’s no substitute for a DJ with a good rhythmic sense, slapping on the sync button won’t get you there.

    #1004777
    shr3dder
    Member

    I know where this is going…..

    Every DJ should know how to beat match.

    If they use sync when playing out whatever, as long as they know how to beat match if everything goes belly up, it’ s not a hard thing to learn, don’t be lazy, practice.

    #1004792
    FatCat
    Member

    shr3dder, post: 20635, member: 1473 wrote: I know where this is going…..

    Every DJ should know how to beat match.

    If they use sync when playing out whatever, as long as they know how to beat match if everything goes belly up, it’ s not a hard thing to learn, don’t be lazy, practice.

    Agreed. It was the 1st thing I taught myself.

    #1004798
    Phil Morse
    Keymaster

    I agree too. 😉

    #1004862
    Peps Lavina
    Participant

    Beatmatching is one of the most important skills of DJing. It’s supposed to be done by ears and not your eyes…

    #1004866
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    I agree too.
    Apart from the reasons above, DJing is about music. Manual beatmatching will also teach your hearing and hearing is one of the most important skills in music business and there are many hearing classes out there.
    Hearing the beat and also selecting compatible beats (and later keys) is very important and training beatmatching will enhance your hearing and you will hugely profit from it, even if you never use it live.
    and if your digital gear fails and you have to use a 20 year old technics that is still there to flip a few vinyls before your system is back up….. you can.

    #1004881
    D-Jam
    Participant

    I’ll quote part of a blog entry I wrote…

    http://www.d-jam.com/thoughts/2012/04/01/the-great-debate-sync

    BUT…you should still know how to manually beatmatch

    Surprise! You didn’t think this would be a 100% support of the sync. Oh no. Forget what others tell you on “cheating” and such. As a DJ you should still know how to manually beatmatch songs simply because sync isn’t fullproof and perfect.

    Remember that one night I mentioned where I first used sync? That very night I had sync fail on me a few times. One problem is that in Torq, you can set up a BPM range when it scans tunes. For me, I had mine at 60-160 BPM. I pulled out some tunes and saw their BPM read as 63.0 or 62.5…and these were house tunes. What happened was the scan ended up putting the beat grid on every other beat, so when I tried sync, the song came in very fast.

    When I made those mixes I posted using sync, I often times had at least one blend I had to do manually, and often times I had to recalibrate the beat grids. So I mix in, and at some point I stop the tune, recalibrate, mix it out into the next tune, and then had to piece all these recorded parts together in Sound Forge.

    The big problem is that sync will mathematically determine the beat. So it’ll scan the tune, see the usual pattern, and then lay the grid on it based on the first 1/4 of the song. What if the tempo slows down during the tune, and then speeds back up? What if the producer puts an extra four beats as a lead-in to get out of the breakdown? These factors will make sync fail for a DJ who relies on it.

    I remember back in that gig at SubClub in Slovakia, I was put in front of a laptop with Virtual DJ on it. No decks, no controller. So I was on my own to make it work. Like I did in that other gig, I used the sync, but I do remember when I tried to mix in French Kiss by Lil Louis, it wouldn’t work…so I just went manually and made it work using the pitch bend controls. Even the slowing down of the song through its infamous sexual breakdown will mess up the beatgrid, thus you have to go manual to mix out of the tune when it speeds back up.

    As a DJ, you have to make it happen. You can’t just decide to not play certain tracks or allow bad blends because you’re unwilling to be able to handle any situation. What if your dog knocks over a beer on your laptop at home? You can’t just call the promoter and tell him you can’t play. You have to make it work, even if it means showing up with a book of CDs and using the club’s equipment. If you want to be seen as a professional, then you can’t have excuses, or else you won’t get booked again.

    #1004886
    ADHDJ
    Participant

    Why wouldn’t you learn how to manually beatmatch? Once I started to manually beatmatch my tracks djing became so much more fun, and felt so much more involved. So I would say the absolute #1 reason to manually beatmatch is to enjoy the experience more.

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