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  • #2047598
    gullum
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    When I started DJ’ing again about 4 years ago I started with VDJ used it for a few months then bought Traktor. November 2012 I bought a Pioneer DDJ-SX so got the chance to try Serato DJ never liked it. Around the same time I bought Cross and I loved it right away, I had some problems getting the mapping I made stick so I lost all I had done several times, Stayed with Traktor until around April 2013 when I decided to give mapping the SX to Cross a new chance and have used it at every gig I’ve played since. It is way better then any of the other programs I’ve used, I’ve also tried Djay, Deckadance, Mixx and One.
    The only thing I would like better are the FX, I don’t use much FX but would love to have an echo out FX.
    I would say 10 out of 10 would say β€œNever heard of it” πŸ˜€

    #2047600
    DJ Vintage
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    Well, if you are a regular visitor of these forums you WILL have seen any comment mentioning the “big three” (Serato, Traktor and VDJ) get a remark from me saying I believe it should be the big four!

    I started out with Traktor (knew it before I bought my first controller) and when I decided I didn’t like it all that much, switching to Serato was not an option (required tossing my hardware and buying a new controller). I found Mixvibes (about version 2.4 I think) and it impressed me right away. Mainly because it fit my workflow. I don’t think any DJ software (in the big 4! anyway) is really bad, but software needs to fit your workflow and not the other way around.

    The price was more than reasonable for the full-featured (incl. DVS) version. And when they came out with 2.5, 2.6 and 3.0 all in the span of less than a year, I knew I picked a good platform for me.

    #2047603
    Marco Solo
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    I own Traktor, Serato and Cross. I use them in that order and I’ll give you the pro’s each has over Cross and what edges Cross has over the others. I have played with Virtual DJ, but that was a while ago and I never found a reason to return. I do agree that it deserves more love.

    Traktor has the most mapping, EQ, filter and sample options. You can choose different EQ’s and filters, map almost every function imaginable (although it takes time to learn to map, it’s very much worth it) and the remix decks are almost as versatile as the drum rack in Ableton. The effects are very good with a wide variety of them. The layout is a little hate it or love it with very detailed waveforms. If you like the basics you can alter it precisely to your liking. Native Instruments makes modular controllers with very cool features that will only work as good in Traktor, because they use HID instead of Midi for the special functions (check out the Kontrol X1 Mk2).

    Serato has quite good EQ’s and filters, although you can’t choose them. The effects are also very good, although in my opinion not as original as Traktor’s. But there are effect packs available, so maybe they have something cool coming up in the future. The waveforms are very detailed and there are enough layout options to rip out or add sections to your liking. You can’t map Serato controllers, but you can add controllers next to the main Serato unit. Those will not be very properly mappable though. For instance, you won’t be able to map anything useful to the touchstrip on an X1 Mk2.

    Cross has two edges over both Traktor and Serato in my opinion: the price (like you mentioned) and a link to Soundcloud. Before I decide to add a track to my collection I often listen to it via Soundcloud in Cross and try it in a mix. I LOVE this function, even though I would never use it in a live situation.
    I agree that even though you can choose different EQ’s, they are a bit meh. Filters are somewhat ok, but much better on the others. For me this is almost a complete dealbreaker as I EQ and filter a lot. The effects are very limited and quite underwhelming. You can use any midi device with Cross but the mapping functions themselves leave me longing for just a few more options. The layout is good, but can do with a few more options in the way of Traktor. In Traktor you can choose what info is shown where. It’s so simple, but really handy.

    Concluding, I think Cross has its place. It’s not as mature as the other two, but the potential definitely shows. Maybe this explains the difference in price as well. Remember that the other two have been going at it for much longer than Mixvibes. I’m sure future versions will make the gap considerably smaller.

    #2047607
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Hi Marco,

    I appreciate your enthousiastic contributions to the forums. We like it when people show a great commitment to this place.

    What I do want to stress and point out is that our forum rules are there for a reason and they are very specific, also for a reason. One of the rules (and a major one in my opinion) is that if you have an opinion on something (like the pro’s and con’s of one DJ software or piece of equipment) that you ventilate it as such. Not as THE truth, since there isn’t an objective truth when it comes to DJ software (even if you would limit it to an A/B feature comparison) or gear.

    Personally I don’t agree with your assesment, but that is ok. We are each entitled to our own opinions and I am happy this place offers space to ventilate those without becoming a “I am right, you are wrong”-battlefield πŸ˜€

    To me, software comes in the picture after you decide what your optimal workflow looks like. I don’t pick software based on it’s individual merits. I find nothing really amiss with the Cross EQs these days for example, especially since you can now choose from several types of behaviour. But I don’t pick a DJ software because it’s EQ is better/worse (another arbitrary matter also) than that in other software. I’d be happy with a kill switch for lows quite frankly, so anything that gives me more control than that is a bonus. With the intended venues and crowds, I am not gonna worry about sonic qualities of EQs as, most likely, nobody on the floor will notice anyway.

    It’s also very hard to be outspoken as you are and be complete at the same time. Two things you failed to mention that can make a world of difference to DJs imho, are parallel waveforms (featured in both Serato and Cross, but not in the last version of Traktor I worked with) and flexible beatgridding (a feature totally alien to Traktor, but available in Cross and Serato). Those two are very relevant to a DJ’s workflow I believe and thus can be dealbreaker features. Yet they are not mentioned in your pro’s and con’s list.

    Furthermore Mixvibes have been at it since 1999, fathered first the library software for Denon (if I am not mistaken) and later (until the most recent 3.x version) RekordBox. With 15 years in the field and that kind of track record, I don’t think the company’s “age” is very relevant.

    You also state that Traktor’s remix decks are a very hot commodity. And while this may be true, all signs indicate that only a limited number of DJs really make full use of the feature. For most a simple set of sample decks is plenty for their purpose. Cross offers the added functionality of offering several combinations, 4 players, 3 players + one sample deck or 2 players + 2 sample decks.

    Another, imho, very much undervalued tool is the implementation of the preview option in Cross. I think it is the best in the business. And for a true crate digger like me, that used to scan all tracks on 5 CDs in 1 1/2 minute flat on CDJs to find the track I was looking for, this is a VERY valuable functionality (much more so than the FX section).

    And I am sure we could go on for another hour, comparing features and finding out which one fits whom best.
    What is a pro for one person is a con or irrelevant for another though. So not much use getting into that.

    I’ll stick with my personal opinion that FOR ME, Cross is the tool of choice atm and that it deserves to be considered by anyone looking for his/her best fit DJ software.

    #2047610
    Marco Solo
    Participant

    I know those are the rules, Vintage. I was really under the impression I was using facts as much as possible (the whole Traktor paragraph alone was pretty much all fact) and that I said these were my reasons for choosing (=opinion). But I’ll use more ‘opinion indicators’ from now on. You can disagree with me as much as you like. In fact, I like it when I disagree with somebody, it gives us something to talk about.

    I didn’t mention the parallel waveforms intentionally. I did at first, but it would’ve made the post twice as long. So I decided to just post the reasons I had for choosing. The remix decks also fall under this category, I don’t really care how many dj’s use them. I know Cross has samples, but they are not as useful for me as the remix decks, because they have 8 instead of 16 samples. Hence the Ableton reference. Ableton would be the most versatile in my book as you can use 16 at once instead of only 4 in Traktor. You can use 8 at once in Cross, but the 16 per page in Traktor trumps that for me, especially for fingerdrumming. Nothing is perfect, apart from maybe the Ableton drumrack πŸ˜‰ I recently mapped my F1 to Cross, so I might have a go at fingerdrumming in Cross. Never tried that before.

    I didn’t know about the age of Mixvibes, althoug I do know they were the original creators of Rekordbox. Thanks for the addition.
    The preview option is somewhat simmilar to the one in Traktor, although I will concede the one in Cross is more useful.

    My intention is not to claim victory for one dj software over another, but simply the reasons for me not to choose Cross as my weapon of choice. Although you thinking I did maybe means I’m quite convincing πŸ˜›
    It’s good that we have a choice. It gives more power to us, the consumers.

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