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April 11, 2012 at 4:00 am #1003544
Todd Oddity
ParticipantMaybe the problem I have with all of this is an age and experience thing… Nobody *ever* asks me what equipment I use when I’m being booked – they ask me what I need from them. I *am* a professional (although I will never admit that publicly!) and therefore when people book me they know I’m not going to show up with a pile of crap for equipment.
Again, as I said back on page 1 – your audience doesn’t look in the dj booth when you are working – at most they may look directly at you, but do you really think Sally-Six-Drinks-In gives a rat’s ass what equipment you use? No, she cares that there is music, and that it is awesome. The only people looking at your equipment are other dj’s. Just be confident with whatever you choose to play with, and if someone says anything about it, laugh at them and make them feel just as little as they are trying to make you feel, as you are the one who actually has a show.
And to compare a Mixtrack and a CDJ2000, well that’s just dumb. Of course my Porsche is way better than your tricycle – that’s why NOBODY would ever compare the two. A pro grade controller will hold its own just fine against any set of CDJ’s. Hell, they probably have almost the same workflow.
Anyway, none of this is meant to sound hostile, it’s just that dj’ing is a business of confidence. So have some! If someone doesn’t like your equipment, kick them in the nuts and tell them you don’t like their “equipment”. Now that’s confidence!
PS. I don’t actually own a Porsche. It just made a better example than my Kia, which is only marginally better than a tricycle…
April 11, 2012 at 1:11 pm #18352Papa Bear
MemberDJ Retro Blaze, post: 18403, member: 1589 wrote:
The second hurdle that controllers face is the low cost of entry does not filter out individuals who do not take the craft of DJing seriouslyBah, so you can only be a good DJ if you spend billions and trillions of dollars?
Sorry, but that is a typical looking-down point of view. And I bet even our great idols didn’t start with a full-fledged, 5k$ setup. What about spending lots of money and recognizing the setup is bullocks?I don’t want to sound rude, but this money question drives me nuts.
You cannot be a good artist if you don’t use the most expensive paint.
You cannot be a good photographer if you don’t own a Hasselblad.
…I know people who use a 20years old analogue camera and cheapest available paint and would make the rich kids blush and run away in shame. Artistic quality can be emphasized or raised to a new level by good equipment, but you can have all the gear available, without talent you will never become better than average. Never fu%§ing ever.
Sorry, this makes me friggin’ angry.
This is no personal offense, Blaze, I just don’t like that certain argument.
Aight? 😉April 11, 2012 at 1:31 pm #18356Arthur Kokanov
Participant“PS. I don’t actually own a Porsche. It just made a better example than my Kia, which is only marginally better than a tricycle… “
I go clubbing alot and I’ve never wondered about a DJ’s equipment until I got my own decks. Now that I own a NS6 the first thing I look for at a club is what the DJ uses. To the crowd it does not matter what you use, as long as your pumping out music that is kick ass then its all good. Looking professional comes from the person not the equipment. And the topic on the cake is the DJ interacting with the crowd in my oppinion.
April 11, 2012 at 3:51 pm #18373djretroblaze@djretroblaze.com
ParticipantPapa Bear, post: 18450, member: 966 wrote: Bah, so you can only be a good DJ if you spend billions and trillions of dollars?
Sorry, but that is a typical looking-down point of view. And I bet even our great idols didn’t start with a full-fledged, 5k$ setup. What about spending lots of money and recognizing the setup is bullocks?I don’t want to sound rude, but this money question drives me nuts.
You cannot be a good artist if you don’t use the most expensive paint.
You cannot be a good photographer if you don’t own a Hasselblad.
…I know people who use a 20years old analogue camera and cheapest available paint and would make the rich kids blush and run away in shame. Artistic quality can be emphasized or raised to a new level by good equipment, but you can have all the gear available, without talent you will never become better than average. Never fu%§ing ever.
Sorry, this makes me friggin’ angry.
This is no personal offense, Blaze, I just don’t like that certain argument.
Aight? 😉I think you are taking what I said out of context, if you look at everything I wrote. That is way these discussions never go anywhere. At least if you are going to get angry, interpret what I said correctly. Gosh, I now remember why I hardly ever post messages on forums.
Furthermore, I believe you overlooked where I stated, “Nevertheless, at the end of the day, rock hard, keep learning and have fun with whatever tools you have at your disposal”.
But, I what I wrote is my opinion. I stand by it, as in relation to address the OP’s question. Feel free to disagree, but please interpret it correctly and in the proper context of the OP’s question.
April 11, 2012 at 4:22 pm #18377Papa Bear
MemberAn interpretation is based on the interpreter’s view 😉 and I did not intend to miscredit your post, in fact, should you feel annoyed by my, from your point, misleading quotation, I offer apologies. Do not stop posting in forums again 😀
No I didn’t overlook your mentioned sentence.
But I think that the money-issue I extracted from your post is a serious one and especially important to beginners.
Frustration is high when you start DJing, and, as you will surely agree, will even grow more when you realize that you have spent a large pile of money into gear which is state of the art or let’s say seen as being “ultimately” professional,
but doesn’t suit your style at all. Which is why controllers are better for learners. In my opinion.
And the financial argument is one which you, as you might agree, hear very often in creative areas, and often misused for … penis comparison. The focus is, which I mentioned before, that gear might help you, but a douchebag stays a douchebag, even if he’s rollin’ with a Rolls. Aight? 😉But, I what I wrote is my opinion. I stand by it…
So do I, everybody should, and, again, no intention to offend you.
Thanks for posting!April 11, 2012 at 4:27 pm #18378Xhris Vile
MemberThis is comming from a total newbie mind you. But why would having more “hobbyists” be a problem? I would guess that a lot of really good musicians started learning their instruments as a hobby, formed bands as a hobby and used whatever equipment they could get their hands on. Often so-called hobbyists are doing something for fun, which may lead then to be more open to expieriment and discover new, creative and innovative areas for their hobby. Cutting them out is a negative both for amature talent, and pro DJs looking for new ways to push their craft onto new territory.
April 11, 2012 at 6:09 pm #18386djretroblaze@djretroblaze.com
ParticipantXhris Vile, post: 18476, member: 1855 wrote: This is comming from a total newbie mind you. But why would having more “hobbyists” be a problem? I would guess that a lot of really good musicians started learning their instruments as a hobby, formed bands as a hobby and used whatever equipment they could get their hands on. Often so-called hobbyists are doing something for fun, which may lead then to be more open to expieriment and discover new, creative and innovative areas for their hobby. Cutting them out is a negative both for amature talent, and pro DJs looking for new ways to push their craft onto new territory.
I’m a hobbyist, too.
Thanks for the feedback!
April 11, 2012 at 6:22 pm #18389djretroblaze@djretroblaze.com
ParticipantPapa Bear, post: 18475, member: 966 wrote: An interpretation is based on the interpreter’s view 😉 and I did not intend to miscredit your post, in fact, should you feel annoyed by my, from your point, misleading quotation, I offer apologies. Do not stop posting in forums again 😀
No I didn’t overlook your mentioned sentence.
But I think that the money-issue I extracted from your post is a serious one and especially important to beginners.
Frustration is high when you start DJing, and, as you will surely agree, will even grow more when you realize that you have spent a large pile of money into gear which is state of the art or let’s say seen as being “ultimately” professional,
but doesn’t suit your style at all. Which is why controllers are better for learners. In my opinion.
And the financial argument is one which you, as you might agree, hear very often in creative areas, and often misused for … penis comparison. The focus is, which I mentioned before, that gear might, help you, but a douchebag stays a douchebag, even if he’s rollin’ with a Rolls. Aight? 😉So do I, everybody should, and, again, no intention to offend you.
Thanks for posting!Well said.
My apologizes as well. In hindsight, I could have worded my original post more clearly.
Thanks for the response!
April 11, 2012 at 6:47 pm #18394Hee Won Jung
ParticipantThe whole CDJ vs Controller vs Tables is soooooo over that its not funny….
The REAL question you should be asking is who is better me or you?
And the answer is ME!
At the end of the day even coming from a perspective of a DJ…mind you i am a lot more open minded than most is…
I dont care if u are using 2 cassette players…2 8tracks…or a washboard and a wooden spoon…If you are rocking the crowd thats all that matters…Screw the Haters and appreciate the people who appreciate you.
with that said
/Thread close
Can we talk about something thats productive now?
April 12, 2012 at 10:27 pm #18467Clayton Weimers
MemberThis may be a dumb question, but I’ve never used a CDJ. If you want to use a usb memory drive, do you need one for each unit or are they somehow linked?
April 12, 2012 at 10:44 pm #18470ThinkAboutIt
MemberClayton Weimers, post: 18565, member: 578 wrote: This may be a dumb question, but I’ve never used a CDJ. If you want to use a usb memory drive, do you need one for each unit or are they somehow linked?
They linked together
April 13, 2012 at 2:39 am #1003553Jonas Werder
ParticipantIt depends on the unit that you are looking at. There are quite a few CDJs that can be linked together [via LAN cable for example] and you can use the usb memory drive plugged into CDJ “A” on your CDJ for Deck “B”., in other words: they share one source where music is played from. Examples for these kind of CDJs are Pioneer CDJ900, Denon SC3900 and Reloop RMP3. Hope I could help you a little 🙂
April 13, 2012 at 9:12 am #18487Phil Morse
KeymasterNo such thing as a dumb question. It depends on the system – higher-end CDJs are often networked, but cheapos aren’t.
April 13, 2012 at 3:13 pm #1003560Hee Won Jung
ParticipantIT depends on the CDJ, im going to talk about Pioneer CDJs as they are the usual Club Standard.
The CDJ 350, 850, 900, and 2000s (am i missing other CDJs models that have fashdrives?) all have USB flash drives…so you can use them as a your song collection…only the 900 and the 2000s have direct link…which is a cat5 cable (internet cable) that can link between the CDJs and even your mixer if your mixer has direct link…and then yes you can access all your music off 1 memory stick.
April 19, 2012 at 2:30 pm #18826ADHDJ
ParticipantI’m currently on the fence about this myself.
Right now I use Traktor on an old macbook with a S4 controller. My laptop has been acting funny lately and making me really nervous that it’s going to crap the bed during a gig (I’m going to have a lot of gigs in the next few months at lounges/bars in NYC).
So before I go and drop $2K on a new macbook pro that I’ll use for nothing but djing, I thought I would consider CDJs. I already have an ok mixer that I use for my 1200s (don’t want to go the vinyl timecode route because they are too heavy to be dragging to gigs).
My other issue with my current setup is the tiny jog wheels and pitch fader on the S4. I think I’d be much better off with the large jog wheels and long throw pitch fader on CDJs. I would think that if you are serious about djing then this would be a huge plus right?
Another question I have is, how do those of you using CDJs feel about losing the key lock feature that Traktor has?
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