Why do DJ's "sell out" ? Are the purists right ?
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November 17, 2011 at 6:12 am #9978
mr_john
MemberI’ll take Tiestos word for it when he said he was tired of what he’d been doing, and wanted to try something new. As a bedroom producer, I don’t want to make tracks no one likes. I want to make tracks that I like, and that other people like too. I don’t think that mentality changes much. I can see getting tired of the same old stuff. Almost every musician (whether they “sell out” or not) has an album or 2 that their fans hate.
November 17, 2011 at 1:43 pm #9998Phil Morse
KeymasterI agree with Tiesto and Emery – they’re artists, they need to do what they want. Your soul would slowly die if you felt trapped by what others want you to do all the time.
November 18, 2011 at 11:20 am #10040softcore
MemberWe have to seperate/define two important but totally different elements/aspects here. There is change, evolution and there is “sell out”.
An artist can change his style, work, genre etc that doesnt necessarily mean he is a “sell out”. Setting hardcore purists aside who will complain about ANY change an artist will go through, sometimes the audience is right that their favourite artist is “selling out”.
As an artist (IF I have the right to call myself that, because really I believe its a term only another person can use for you) I am against anything that will prevent my artistic expression – that could mean audience expectations (therefore I ll change If I want to) or money (that means I wont be changing in the hopes of getting more money-gaining more audience). I ll play-write what I want to and I’ll let the listener decide – I accept the fact that this may end up having me only a handful of listeners but I’ll be happy in the thoughts that my own personal expression finds a true, no-gimmicks listener who listens to ME not what marketing and advertisements told him to (note: I also have accepted the fact that music is never going to be my main income).
The sure thing with my method is that no matter how MUCH I ‘ll change I will never be accused of being a “sell-out”. Get me? 😉
One last thought: I have generally seen the general approach to DJing in this very blog is that they MUST be “pleasant” to the listeners, therefore they must at some point take under consideration what the listeners want to hear. While I agree with this idea I do not agree that this is a general definition for “artist”. Primarily “art” is about expression so in my opinion, an artist should be free to express himself, externalise his inner world regardless of what the audience, listener, spectator will think. I can already hear voices shouting “…but, but then you ll starve to death.” Wellllll, frankly speaking, do you know how MANY artists in human history starved to death only to be famous after their death? By expressing the real “you” there is always the chance you will find a “hole” in the market and all the “like-you” on the planet will end up being your fans 😉
November 20, 2011 at 6:03 pm #10129D-Jam
ParticipantHere’s the problem:
Tiesto and Emery haven’t realized that their names and brands have grown bigger than themselves as artists. “Tiesto” isn’t Tijs Michiel Verwest now as much as it’s become its own brand. People who flock to a big massive with Tiesto playing are flocking to get the Tiesto experience. They want the big epic trance thing, not some new commercial pop thing.
So one could ask how/why David Guetta got away with this? The answer is two-fold. Number 1, Guetta wasn’t known commercially until his commercial album came out. DJs and clubbers knew him before that, but after he blew up, only a chunk of them were willing to abandon Guetta, despite that he gained millions of new fans now as a pop music producer.
Tiesto though was already a household name, and his branding was known as the big trance massive. Suddenly deciding to go commercial/pop is only going to hurt that. I know in his eyes he wanted to blow up more like Guetta, but he should have aligned that with what he is. Go get known singer/songwriters and make a more house-sounding trance with them. Trying to do what Guetta did in many ways drastically took him away from his brand. It would be like when Coca-Cola tried to dump the classic flavor for a new formula…or if they decided to stop making cola and make “Coke” a fruit drink.
Tiesto and Emery are victims of their own success, and they realized their branding would not just carry anywhere they go as artists. Tijs Michiel Verwest should have come up with a new name, and did commercial music as that…or stayed more in a producer role and let the singers/performers have the name spotlight. There was no way he could easily change the “Tiesto” brand into commercial music and not have a backlash. Emery was worse in calling his own fans “pathetic”. He does realize if all those fans stopped coming out, he would be DONE…period.
This is a popularity game, and these headliners are taking it for granted that they won’t ever lose said popularity no matter how they change. Doesn’t work that way. The moment Tiesto or Emery has a few empty or near-empty events, that’s when they realize why their brands have gone beyond their artistry. If they want to try new things, then attach that to a new brand…or force the new sound in and start over.
Look what happened when Bob Dylan tried to get away from traditional folk. He lost all his old fans and had to rebuild to being a pop sensation.
November 21, 2011 at 9:43 am #10161DJ GRE
MemberI think that “sell out” is a weird term anyway – I mean it’s really just when fans feel they can’t call that thing theirs anymore, you know? really I mean as an artist you just have to do you, you have to grow and who’s to say the artists don’t want to try a new sound they heard and loved – at some point we’ve all changed our tastes right? … if people don’t like it well thats just a risk you have to decide you want to take or not and risk is really what it’s all about. I mean you could be AC/DC and stick with the same formula all the time, I mean they are brilliant at it why not? …… but, if you experiment and branch out Rolling Stones style you could be bigger than you were before (a few alienated fans not withstanding).
November 21, 2011 at 9:55 am #1002177U31
MemberJust look at Bowie for an example of going off at highly succesful musical and Image tangents..
The guy has never ever stood stillNovember 21, 2011 at 4:27 pm #10186D-Jam
ParticipantThe Pet Shop Boys are a great example of how artists can maintain their fan following, but grow. You listen to their stuff from their first album to now, and they have always grown as artists, but never went too far away from their original sound. New Order is another example.
Right now the only thing killing those two bands are age.
November 24, 2011 at 1:42 am #1002204eros
MemberI think that there’s a certain stigma attached with an artist becoming “commercial”. For the more die hard and knowledgable fans “commercial” is a dirty word. Underground is cool, it’s more hip, it makes you feel like you’re in the know and part of a smaller community that “gets it”. When things become commercial or aimed at mass appeal they lose a lot of that…but I guess for the artist you lose some fans at the expense of gaining others.
November 24, 2011 at 10:00 am #10338U31
Member^^^^ It’s ok, as you get older all that rubbish leaves your system!
As i kid i was passionate about it – heavy rock started getting played on BBC radio 1 on a friday night so i got in to the Electro thing that came in from the States in the early to mid 80’s till that went sour.
The second summer of love came around, and sure as eggs are eggs Radio 1 started playing EDM at Prime time with Oakenfold and such, with live broadcasts from “Eyebeezah” – Spare me, please…So i found HedKandi…
Now music is just music, and i couldn’t care less if what i like is mainstream or not 😀
But if you listen to my Cloudcasts i’m sure you’ll notice it mainly ain’t mainstream.. 😉
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