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  • #2287941
    Peter Turk
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    So if you want cue,lop,sampler controls below etc…
    For entry level controller I would reccomend you Pioneer DDJ-SB2 cause SB does not have trim controls(i had one and i missed that)and it works on serato (you get Intro version) and traktor pro 2 and VDJ!And it is good for beginners for reasonable price!
    For mid-range controllers there are Pioneer DDJ-SR and Traktor S2!Lack of traktor is that supports only the traktor software while SR supports all of the above mentioned dj software programs!With SR you also get full version of serato DJ so that you can record your mixes!I really can’t say wich software is better!I prefer Serato but it is your choice which software will you run your mixes!After many hours of practicing and learning and of course watching tutorials video!

    Best regards!

    #2287951
    Stazbumpa
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    I play breakbeat UK happy hardcore predominantly 1994/95, I have managed to locate a lot of stuff on mp3 but I’m unsure on the bit rates at the moment.

    We are so going to be friends šŸ™‚

    My first question has got to be; what’s your maximum budget?

    With regard to brands, you won’t really go wrong with Numark, Reloop, Denon or Pioneer (Pioneer can sometimes cost more simply for being Pioneer). As for the software, they all do pretty much the same thing in only slightly different ways. Virtual DJ has one huge advantage in that it works with anything at all so if you upgrade your kit you never have to worry about compatibility problems.
    A lot of the budget friendly Serato controller options don’t ship with the full version of Serato DJ, so you would have to pay to upgrade to that for recording your mixes as far as I am aware. It isn’t much and it’s worth it.

    Your upper limit for what you are prepared to pay will help decide your controller.

    #2288751
    Dj goonie
    Participant

    Cheers for the replies. Stazbumpa do you play hardcore? Where are you locating your music? I don’t have loads of vinyl but was out having a play today for first time in months. I’d say max of about 250 for the controller as I’ll also need a lap top, the laptop will be purely for the controller and linking the radio thing of I do it. I got 4 dvds with about 1500 hardcore tracks on of which I would imagine I’ll get 300 from once I’ve been through it all

    #2288761
    Dj goonie
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    I attended I love happy hardcore in London the other week and seeing them all using a controller has led me here lol

    #2289161
    Knoakh
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    What a nice n fun thread šŸ˜€ I’m new to this, as well. I rocked it back in the days on some 1200/2100:s in the late 80’s onward to mid 90’s. Now I want to get some gears & software that’s right for me. My goal is to produce (in the future), but going to start with mixing, remixing & do sets n some mashups b4 starting producing. I’m a fan of hip-hop artists as Pete Rock, 9th Wonder & DJ Premier who are using MPC:s a lot, besides FL Studio (my final goal in producing own material). I want gears & software that can be used in many genres. Now I’m only “playing around” with Virtual DJ, using foremost beat grid. The genres I’m into is hip hop (east/”true skool”/jazzy&funky), new jack, elctro-funk, breaks, d&b, Detroit-Tech, Old skool house & indie house/nu-disco, some bro-step & chill trap, big-beat etc.

    What I’m thinking of is what gear & software I should use. I have big, clumspsy hand & “sausage fingers” šŸ™ so I have that in disadvantage. First I was thinking of Pioneers Ergo-V, but I also get recommendation in the sb-series as well as Traktors S2/S4/S5. I’m also wondering in getting the new MPC Touch that NI’s releasing soon.

    #2289501
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    If you are into hip hop, especially the funky/jazzy kind that sometimes has beat variation going on I would strongly recommend software with flexible beatgrid. So this is the one rare instance I would strongly recommend against Traktor.
    Serato’s flexible beatgrid is the best in class in my opinion, this is why so many hip hop DJs use it (just check out DJ Angelo) and of course Serato IMHO is best for scratching. Now the new Rekordbox DJ by Pioneer looks like it can come close, but I had no hands on yet, so I can only assume it is in the same league. Until I can check it out I would strongly advise towards Serato DJ and a good platter controller (reloop Terminal Mix 8, Pioneer DDJ-SX2, Numark NV, Numark NS7 III,…)

    #2289611
    Stazbumpa
    Participant

    @Craig Hodges

    Breakbeat/Hardcore was my thing when I first started DJ’ing, I also played a lot of hard techno and hard trance. I thought it was the only music I would ever want to play, how wrong I was šŸ™‚ The Pleasuredome was my local rave, I never got a chance to play there, although they still do one off events locally every so often so one day, maybe.
    A lot of the DJs use the Pioneer CDJs of Great Expense, but that’s because someone else is paying for them. Slipmatt uses a controller regularly, he played in my town a year or so ago and used one then.

    As for your controller options, for £250 you are probably best off going for either the Numark Mixtrack Pro 3 or the Pioneer DDJ SB2. Both are excellent Serato controllers and if you upgrade to the full Serato DJ software (well worth it) the Pioneer clocks in bang on your budget whereas the Mixtrack is £40 cheaper.

    Neither of these controllers has a balanced line output and neither has a booth output, you’re stuck with a main phono out. It shouldn’t be a huge problem unless you’re playing in a club and need a monitor speak hooking up. To get a good controller with separate booth output (and a balanced line incidentally) you’re looking at something like the Denon MC4000 which is about Ā£50-60 over your budget.

    You can probably get them cheaper if you look online, I used Decks as a guidline for prices here but they tend to be a bit more expensive than other e-retailers. Thomann are known to be good for prices, I got my Denon kit from them.

    #2290571
    Dj goonie
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    @stazbumpa I got into the music listening to pirates and tapes at the age of 11 lol. For me 94/95 is my favourite era after that it lost its way but I was still at school then! First rave I went to was raindance at se1 around 2003 Im hoping to play online radio. If I need to upgrade the software I may be better off just going more expensive to start with so it’s bundled

    #2290581
    Dj goonie
    Participant

    I’m well aware that pigeon holing myself to 94/95 hardcore means I’m unlikely to ever play out to a crowd so I wonder if I really need a booth output

    #2291601
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Booth out in general is/should be a copy of the master signal MINUS the mic inputs (or at least offer the option of turning mic input of to prevent the nice effect or feedback) with a seperate volume control. It is conspiciously absent on many even higher end controllers. Even the DDJ-SX I use now, while it has a booth out with volume control, WILL send mic signal out to the booth as well. Very unwanted!

    A simple and relatively inexpensive way to add a booth output in a later stage is by using a small PA mixer that has either a booth/monitor out or aux out. If you then run your mic through the mixer as well, you can determine what you send to booth/aux and how much of it. You just run your controller to a stereo input on the mixer, often giving you the added benefit of having balanced outputs for masters even if your controller only has RCA out.

    #2293341
    Dj goonie
    Participant

    In that case (didn’t think of using a separate mixer) I’ve probably it down to sub Ā£200 controller, either the denon2000, mixtrack pro3 or pioneer sb2. I like the look of the platers on the numark and pioneer more. I also like a hercules that has the centers lit like high end pioneers do. Tough call lol. I don’t feel I need masses of effects etc as they weren’t used in the era of music I play

    #2293491
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    The first three are all good, add the reloop beatmix 2 to the list. I’d advise against being lured by the shiny bits of the Hercules.

    As for the jogs, highly personal choice, but I can vouch for the Denon jogs.

    #2293601
    Dj goonie
    Participant

    The only reason I liked the hercules was the light up jog wheel centres. I’ll knock it off the list. The jogs just look a bit small on the denon and no vu meters but I guess I don’t really need them due to autogain

    #2293621
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    On the other hand, getting used (memory muscle) to ALWAYS gain your tracks is good practice. I run my tracks through Platinum Notes so they should be autogained prior to entering the DJ software, mainly because I don’t really trust DJ software autogaining methods. Could just be me being paranoia though hehehehehe.

    The Denon jogs are smallish compared to the others, but the same quality as on the MC3000 and MC6000. Having worked with them, unless you are a very active controllerist (i.e. doing lots and lots of stuff with the jogs other than cueing up, nudging and the odd baby scratch) they are totally sufficient.

    The Reloop for example has very low jogs, which I am guessing is something you can get used too. Just not something I am accustomed too. Terry_42 for example, a big Reloop fan, swears by the (quality of the) jogs.

    By the way, it’s arguments like these that always makes me say to get hands on with the controllers on your shortlist. Some things just can’t be transferred by pictures.

    #2294491
    Dj goonie
    Participant

    Cheers for all the help peeps

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