When do you think it's OK?
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August 15, 2011 at 7:25 pm #5841
Ivyquake
Member“In five years’ time computers in DJ booths will be completely normal…. So it’s gonna be about taste and programming.” – Sasha. With that said I think a lot of big name DJs do what Angello was doing in that video. They spent a lot time producing their tunes anyway. It’s not like they are just playing other people stuff. If I did that I don’t think I will get any gig because I play stuff that other people produce. At the end of the day, it’s all about stage presence and how to present yourself to the crowd.
August 15, 2011 at 7:51 pm #5844D-Jam
ParticipantYeah, but analyzing the Angello video, the last four minutes would be something justified, the first nine though were nothing more than what any DJ does.
I can condone sync and a DAW or DVS because there is still programming involved. Angello’s thing though makes me think it was all pre-planned, so he can’t even change it up if he wanted to.
My biggest fear though is when image becomes so important that we’ll see the role of a DJ be a model/popstar. Even worse when you walk into clubs and see some hot chick dressed as a gogo dancer in a booth looking like she’s DJing, but in reality it’ll be two ugly guys in a back room playing with a video monitor showing them the room.
August 16, 2011 at 2:47 am #5860mr_john
Memberthe only thing pre-arranged about a DJ’s set should be the song itself.. If he pulls a deadmau5 and passes out, the music should come to a stop on it’s own. I don’t care how much you “produce your own music.” And synching it with some lights/ fireworks/ whatever, is no excuse. That’s what rehearsal is for. They do it at live concerts all the time, piss poor excuse. Look at deadmau5, his entire stage synchs with the music, he’s performing live, when he falls over the show stops. It’s not impossible.
I wouldn’t pay 40 bucks to listen to someone throw on a CD and press play.. At least I HOPE i wouldn’t.August 16, 2011 at 7:45 am #1001425DJ Stone Crazy
ParticipantAw, man, just when I was thinking about hiring some go-go dancers. Common sense would dictate the music should come first. Then worry about the add-on things.
August 16, 2011 at 11:25 am #5878U31
MemberD-Jam, post: 5839 wrote: . Even worse when you walk into clubs and see some hot chick dressed as a gogo dancer in a booth looking like she’s DJing, but in reality it’ll be two ugly guys in a back room playing with a video monitor showing them the room.
A Certain Bassist turned “DJ” famous for being part of a massive Manchester nightclub on Whitworth st. that began life as a yacht salesroom, now knocked down and the land redeveloped for an appartment block springs to mind..
And a quote from one of the DJs behind backstage one of the times.. ” The sweat started flowing out of every pore when he got in the Booth and saw there was only a pair of 1210’s he relaxed once the engineer brought out a pair of CDJ’s for him to put his pre prepared mix in to… “
Not my words, but i trust the guy who said it 100000% One time him and another DJ played an entire set backstage while up front in the booth this guy punched the air on every drop or transition, as if he pulled it off totally sweet
God knows why he pretends to be a DJ ’cause ive seen him pull massive crowds and absolutely Smash a night playing Bass. The last time was a Guest for the band James and he absolutely took the roof off.
Stick to what yer know.August 16, 2011 at 12:03 pm #1001429Fluxdeep
MemberFirst of all D-Jam, let me say that your constant input in this forum have been something priceless to me; I’m still just a novice, but i’m sure that I would not know half I know about this craft if it weren’t for you, Phil of course, and other people around here. So thank you, i’m really grateful for everything that you keep sharing here 🙂
On topic, I think that everything goes as long as things are kept real and honest. In the last concert I’ve went (Moonspell, Portuguese goth metal band) the guys used pre recordset samples and intros in some songs, and I don’t have any problem with that; they could just play the songs, and yet they did some stuff to improve the show. But they were playing their instruments, it was all real. For me, there is not much difference between a DJ who uses some minutes of pre recorded music IF NECESSARY to enhance a show and a rock band using pre recordset stuff for the same purpose.
SO i would say that “it’s ok for a DJ to have pre-arranged stuff and thus mime a bit because of a visual show” if that is an total exception during the gig’s length, and the audience is not being cheated. Did the DJ 99% of the time actually mixed? If so, it’s fine by me.
Also i find really interesting to see (no sarcasm here) that apparently music gets more and more secondary as the DJ’s name gets bigger and bigger; over the late 80’s / 90’s, several friends told me how much did they enjoy going to Pink Floyd’s gigs because of stage apparatus and visual show; and i always asked them how much did they loved the music, and the answer was always the same: mot much, but the show is amazing. Despite all that being plain weird for me, truth is that many people apparently went to a rock concert mainly to see lights, lasers and so on. Music was just a detail. So, as eventually with Pink Floyd and others some years ago, maybe nowadays superstar DJ’s will be indeed “pulled away from being DJs and instead now making them totally the same as let’s say Katy Perry and Britney Spears”.
Point is: as a DJ, one is supposed to (also) give people the music they expect; apparently, as a superstar DJ, one is supposed to (also) give people the multimedia show they expect. I like that as much as I like 95% of Top 40, but anyway that’s just how it goes, unfortunately. Anyway, every one of us haves the freedom to choose between money, creative integrity or a balance between both, so it’s not some kind of lost battle.
P.S.: DJ’s and superstar DJ’s are probably as different as theater actors and Hollywood Superstars; sure, it’s all acting, and yet it’s two very different realities, different values and goals, and first of all, different audiences.
August 16, 2011 at 2:22 pm #5887DjSpekz
MemberI have always said that the bigger of a Dj/Producer you get the less buttons you have to press. This far beyond proves my point. I might not have a song on the charts or a world known dj but when I DJ at a house party I do my mixes not just load them up to a deck, press play and say that was me. It might not be perfect at the end but people actually see your doing work.
August 16, 2011 at 2:23 pm #5888Ivyquake
MemberI think everybody have a good point, the real question is. do you think Steve Angello is a less of a DJ/Producer because of that video? Personally I don’t think so.
August 16, 2011 at 2:31 pm #5890jezalenko
MemberIvyquake, post: 5883 wrote: I think everybody have a good point, the real question is. do you think Steve Angello is a less of a DJ/Producer because of that video? Personally I don’t think so.
Less of a DJ, yes. Less of a producer, no. As has been mentioned earlier in this thread, the only time you should throw on a pre-mixed set is for a dunny break or if there’s technical problems.
August 16, 2011 at 4:44 pm #5904Benny Mackney
Membermr_john, post: 5855 wrote: And synching it with some lights/ fireworks/ whatever, is no excuse. That’s what rehearsal is for.
Rehearsing with fireworks is very expensive. If they want the fireworks to bang on the beat, syncing it live is just not an option. Pyrotechnics is more than *push button* BANG!
August 16, 2011 at 4:44 pm #5905Emma Partnow
MemberD-Jam, post: 5829 wrote: Thinking about the Angello thing, I was wondering with these bigger shows DJs are making, when do you personally think it’s ok for a DJ to have pre-arranged stuff and thus mime a bit because of a visual show?
Or do you think it’s never ok and “to hell with” the visual shows, dancers, etc…just keep it simple and “keep it real”?
I think about Bad Boy Bill when he made his troupe of female dancers, the many DJs investing in promo videos to play at shows, and even Tiesto with his massive stadium show. Do you think that more of these Angello incidents will happen and should be allowed in the name of stage presence?
Or are we further pulling DJs away from being DJs and instead now making them totally the same as let’s say Katy Perry and Britney Spears?
I don’t think it is Ever ‘Okay To Mime’ as a DJ;
On the 10 Minute Video a Member put up where the Girl showed her Backside; I saw Angello flipping through a CD Holder; and even pull a CD out; but Not At Any Point did he attempt to ‘Use’ this CD; so Regardless of the Light/Firework Show at the other Gig; I didn’t see him ‘DJ’ing’ in that 10 Minute Video either;
Of course he spent a Lot of time Standing On The Desks; Kissing the Camera; and Fiddling with his Ponytail; but the ‘Only’ time I saw him Touch The Decks was to turn the Music down to Nil; 3 Times in 2 Minutes :confused:
If you are Freddie Mercury Fair Enough; Do Your Stage Show; but if a Drummer in a Band put on a Pre-Recorded Tape and got up on Stage jumping around and ‘Jesus Waving’; I think a few people would have something to say;
But; I think he is getting Too Much ‘Undeserved Exposure’ on this Forum;
As a Producer; What A Brilliant Man; As A DJ; Bring On My Mum;August 16, 2011 at 6:29 pm #5915Ivyquake
MemberEmma Partnow, post: 5900 wrote:
As a Producer; What A Brilliant Man; As A DJ; Bring On My Mum;Hahahaha, that’s funny
August 16, 2011 at 8:03 pm #5918Kyle_G
ParticipantEmma Partnow, post: 5900 wrote: I don’t think it is Ever ‘Okay To Mime’ as a DJ
Quoted for truth.
August 16, 2011 at 8:31 pm #5920John
ParticipantI don’t think a DJ should ever “fake it” by any stretch of the imagination. Regardless of why your doing it. I understand that the big name DJ’s have very structured shows but that by know means gives them a license to phone it in. People pay big bucks to go see some of these DJs and honestly they should be giving it everything they’ve got that’s why we want to see them because they have taken the craft to new heights.
I had a fellow DJ friend who would prerecord some sets in a multitrack program just in case someone important was down to check out their set. Funny enough he went on to a residency and I didn’t so I guess that shows what I know. Just because it’s the path of least resistance does’t make it the correct one.
My wife is a Art Major who focused on Big Multimedia design projects. I’m sure she can come up with an kick ass show with great visuals, dancers, and theatrics but that doesn’t mean she knows one thing about the music I like to play/listen to. I hate to say it but money corrupts everything good. I know that it’s a necessary evil but once you start dealing in the amounts that these artists are it just becomes to tempting.
August 17, 2011 at 2:42 am #1001438ellgieff
MemberThe day the superstar DJ thing dies, the day people stop going to “see” a DJ show, the day people realise “the experience” is about how you perceive it (not about how on time the pyrotechnics are) – that’s the day the music will live again.
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