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  • #2348511
    Smittyman
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    Just a follow up I’m from Pittsburgh, Pa born and raised and. Thanks

    #2348601
    Clifford Anderson
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    Hey, Smitty, welcome to the board!

    I wouldn’t stress too much about it, it takes time to get the chops. You’re on the right road, and you know what it is you want to get good at right now – namely, learning where the phrases are at and how to key mix. Of those two, understanding phrasing is much more globally important, though key mixing is certainly something you’re going to need to figure out.

    So… before you can identify phrases, first, you just need to be able to identify bars. That’s not too hard, you should pick that up from the DJ Fast course… To the beat, 1-2-3-4… at least, usually. Don’t even try to mix tracks that aren’t a 4/4 beat right now (and don’t even worry about that that means for now either).

    Phrases are usually just a certain number of bars… it depends on your musical style, but it is commonly 8 bars… in Hip-Hop, though, it is often 4. So, when you count beats, it’ll be, like:

    1-2-3-4, 2-2-3-4, 3-2-3-4, 4-2-3-4, 5-2-3-4, 6-2-3-4, 7-2-3-4, 8-2-3-4… then repeat.

    That will usually be a phrase, maybe only 4 instead of 8, whatever.

    Practice, practice, practice. That’s the biggest key. You’ll get to the point where you will just feel where the phrases are at because the biggest indicator that you’re at a new phrase is that the music will change in some way. Either it will feel like it starts a loop over, or it changes up to a different this or that. A lot of the time, you’ll also get things like a drum roll leading up to the change, or a cymbal hit right after it, for example.

    Hope this helps at least some, rambling as it is.

    #2348631
    Smittyman
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    I appreciate it thanks for the knowledge. Yeah i have always had a love for music and being in control of room even working in the automotive field for the past 13 yrs music is that one thing i always have on around me. Yeah the mixing in key thing will take time but getting the drops right and on time is a big thing for me. Little changes here and there and hopefully i start picking up more stuff along the way. Practice is a must no doubt about it. One question for you deathy….I don’t want to look too much into this but mixing two songs together in different keys and the same BPM is it best to drop the bass line on the incoming track or outgoing or does it matter?

    #2348711
    Clifford Anderson
    Participant

    If they’re a compatible key, it won’t really matter. I’d pick which one you think is cooler sounding.

    #2348741
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Your ears, that is the secret to DJ-ing, being able to hear what works and what doesn’t. Things like mixing in keys is just tools not rulez.

    Also, knowing your tracks really well. So you not only hear the actual bass line on the current track, but you already know the bass line from the incoming track, so you know if you want to keep the bass on track a running long or short and make a quick or slow transition on the bass lines.

    But in your head you should already know that does tracks will play nicely together (regardless of key).

    #2348771
    Clifford Anderson
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    In other words… practice, practice, practice! This hobby right here is one where you can easily spend hours every day perfecting the skill.

    I have slowed down slightly… when I started, I was doing 4 hours of practice pretty much every day… these days, more like 2-3 (and I have more off days now where I let myself not feel like it than I used to), but still, this is something where you can easily spend all your free time doing it if you so desire.

    #2348781
    sFm
    Participant

    Great points all around! All of which are key elements in being successful in the mix. As Vintage mentioned, hearing is vital, but so is practice, as deathy said. I mean, anyone can quickly learn to put 2 beats together, but it’s things like; knowing your music, timing, levels, tone, length of transition…and so on…all of which go into making a successful blend of music and are learned over time with practice.

    I personally have not focused heavily on harmonic mixing. However, I will agree with vintage, it is a tool and can be a great one that when applied correctly will certainly aid in ensuring a smooth transitions between 2 pieces of music.

    One final point – Although practice helps in bettering ones skills, try to do it in moderation. You want to avoid frustration and disappointment by practicing excessively!

    Cheers!

    #2348841
    Clifford Anderson
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    I’m going to add to what you said a little… stop practicing when you are getting frustrated, but if you are not, then keep goin’ so long as you are feelin’ the groove.

    It’s the point of frustration when I let myself stop for the day too, usually because some song has a weird structure that’s hard to work with or what have you. “Why won’t this track mix with anything else? It’s so awesome, I want to play it out!”

    Had one earlier today… the song had some truly bizarre phrase lengths. 7.3? Really? Why do you hate me?

    #2348851
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    As for hours spent. It’s better to practice half an hour every day, than to practice big blocks once or twice a week!

    Also important to realize, that while technical prowess is good to have and you don’t want to be creating one train wreck after another, the real skill is in track selection. And the only place to learn that is by playing out. Don’t worry about festivals, clubs, weddings and such for now. Play a friend’s house party or throw your own, do a pool or bbq party in the summer. Offer to spice up a slow night at the local bar. Anything that gives you upwards of about 20 people (preferably mixed gender, unless it’s a gay bar) will do.

    #2348881
    Smittyman
    Participant

    You guys are giving me great info I really appreciate it coming from veterans of the craft like yourselves. I do want to report that yesterday I practiced for about 30 min on just two songs just trying to get a good feel for the music and listen to both tracks as a whole. I didn’t worry about what key they were in and they were about 5 bpm off but I adjusted each track 2.5 so they wouldn’t sound like total dog shit. I found a great mixing point and I played it back and practiced the timing of it over and over and after that I was in the zone. I through all thinking out and just started jamming tracks in. If it didn’t sound good or I couldnt find a good mix I tossed it and tried another. It felt good and when I knew it it was almost midnight and I shoulda been in bed 2 hour b4 hand. I was doing a lot of switching baselines or letting the intros play into the outgoing song which seemed to work. Counting the bars and paying attn to where the one is too. Gonna keep going today and go over my history and make sure I didn’t have tunnel vision and that these mixes did work. Thanks guys. Keep feeding me lol.

    #2348891
    Clifford Anderson
    Participant

    Sounds like a good session!

    #2348921
    Smittyman
    Participant

    It was definitely a start. Practice practice practice though. I recorded it and played it back. It was about 20min long went through about 7-8 songs dropping cutting and mixing. Used a little echo when needed. I have a question regarding samples. I know VDJ has the capability of recording your own but what are good times to use samples when mixing? I hardly ever use them.

    #2348941
    Clifford Anderson
    Participant

    I’m not a huge sample user myself, so can’t help you much there, sorry.

    #2348971
    Rixxi M
    Participant

    Hi,

    I’m new to it all too. I borrowed a mate’s laptop with Traktor on there about 6 months ago, played around wit it, liked it, bought my own Traktor software, practised A LOT, begged a good mate of mine to let me do a guest mix on his radio show (knowing they have Traktor available in the studio). Now I am joint host of the show. Got myself a Numark Mixtrack Pro3 about 5 weeks back, played my first club gig last night, absolutely loved it. It helps when you’ve got a lot of friends who are DJ’s and promoters but if you want something bad enough and you have a passion for it, then go for it. Good luck

    #2348981
    Smittyman
    Participant

    Great story Richard sounds like you’re doing well with it all. I think the more and more I listen to music the more I pick up. I do have this house party next month and I started collecting tracks to mix together and I have a nice set going so far with about 25 tracks so far because I know at the beginning of the night just gonna cutting and dropping songs just to get the party warmed up. It should be fun. Not nervous just gotta remember all
    My mix points and practice. ???

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