What do you consider is "Mixing"
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April 18, 2012 at 10:28 pm #18789
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MemberHee Won Jung, post: 18890, member: 948 wrote: Lol I do not play commercial music I play everything from house, breaks, nu-disco funky house disco house fidget electro/complextro, dubstep, dnb, and when the venue calls for it I will play top40 remixes.
I will post some mixes when I get home.
On a side note see the bottom of my OP? It asked an I wrong here….asking what other pps opinion is. Seriously why r u taking this so personally? Jeebus
So my guess was wrong. It happens.
On a side note: I’m not taking this personally. That’s twice you’ve had a pop at me, though (once for not being on topic, which I am, and once for taking it personally). What I have done is express an opinion different to yours.
April 19, 2012 at 3:20 pm #18837Hee Won Jung
ParticipantSorry guys said i would post some mixes last night but never had the time i will hopefully do it tonight
April 20, 2012 at 12:22 am #18862Dave W
MemberI see way too many DJs who consider themselves as “DJs” yet in my opinion really arnt. What i am taking about is DJs who dont really mix. I am only speaking from an EDM (125-175bpm). HipHop/Wedding DJs i can see how this would not relate as often you dont really beat match and just go from song to song as its hard to mix such a varity of tempos (Although Kudos for those of you who can).
It’s not all about beatmatching
I’m a Dj that does alot of diffrent events and venues from wedding and birthdays (18th is the youngest i have done, a 80th next week to do will be the oldest) to stripclubs to bars and late spot’s.
When I can i beat mix if i can’t due to bpm’s i cut i fade i slam it in, all about the timing of how you do it. it as important to read the crowd. no point taking away a song they are danceing to just to change it becasue you are bored with it, no way in hell would i cut out a song half way thru because i’m bored if the crowd is loving it
However if i see the dancefloor thinning then i might to a quick mix or a cut and bring in the next one to keep up the tempo or the energy
I think it all depends on the night your doing and the crowd you have if they like the quick changes of song then they will lap it up but if they don’t then they won’t come back…. or you won’t be asked backand I find it far more challanging as a DJ to be asked to go from motown to rock to 90’s house to pop/top40 to rock&roll and back in 30mins then just sticking to one genre
April 20, 2012 at 9:30 am #18879Phil Morse
KeymasterDave, I agree completely, but I also agree that tight, expressive EQing, beatmixing etc have their place too. It’s a broad church which is why we all need to accept there isn’t just “one” type of DJing.
April 20, 2012 at 1:30 pm #18893gbadegesin
ParticipantI think the misconception alot of people have about Djaying is that it has to done in a special type of way. Also, some believe that you have to be that techno, techy beat masher, super remixer with ubiquitos effects to be called a proper DJ
Djaying is an art ( after you have learnt the scientific side to it), you can play or flow anyhow you want as long as you do not alleniate yourself from your audience.
In the genre i DJ in, intro/outro mixing is not uncommon but even at that, i can tell you that there are blends and there are blends. and no two DJs will sound the same or effect the crowd the same way.One thing i always tell Djays ( especially aspiring ones) is to never forget how it was when you were on the other side. When you were part of the audience, how did you like your music being played? What pissed you off about the music that was played in the clubs. Which kind of mixes did you enjoy the most? Please note that this does not mean you cannot find your own unique way of doing ya stuff.
April 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm #18900Todd Oddity
ParticipantDave W, post: 18965, member: 1814 wrote: and I find it far more challanging as a DJ to be asked to go from motown to rock to 90’s house to pop/top40 to rock&roll and back in 30mins then just sticking to one genre
Slightly off topic, but I used to work in an unusual club where this was the format. We weren’t allowed to stay in the same genre for more than 2 tracks at a time. It was difficult to put a night together and have it all sound smooth and coherent, but it also kept me on my toes and forced me to think outside the box. In a way, I kind of miss that sometimes with everything I play now having such obvious intros, outros and breaks…
April 20, 2012 at 3:26 pm #18902Hee Won Jung
ParticipantYeah I can see where you guys are coming from.
But the whole switching genres thing i can see how what i am saying does not apply. I am speaking from strickly an EDM perspective, where tempo changes and genre changes are minimal…and even if you are switching genres you are still relatively in the same tempo.
Now one thing i wanted to point out is that when im talking, is not chopping the song right out every 128 bars (1.5-2 minutes)
Im talking about adding things in..weather it be a simple drum beat of the next song…or adding harmonic synths and melodies…im always adding and taking something away rather than just letting the song play out as is.
I actually had a jam session with a buddy of mine last night that does a lot of prog house…and he is freakin awesome…being able to blend 3 tracks seemlessly and on beat, in phrase and with effective EQing to keep the flow going but also keep the music interesting.
I guess the biggest gripe i have is what i said in my previous post…where today it seems it more about the each individual song, than back in the 90s when it was all about the mix.
April 22, 2012 at 1:10 pm #18963jalou1995
MemberThis would definitely depend on the mood of the crowd. I tend to mix (transition) fast during the peak of excitement.
April 22, 2012 at 3:38 pm #18969Shopkipa
MemberMikeFixx, post: 18887, member: 1878 wrote: Can you link to some mixes that you’ve done? Curious to see the style differences. Heard a DJ in Vegas slam pop songs/remixes all night. No greater than 1.5 to 2 minutes of any track and the dancefloor never did build and he actually got booed a few times.
haha,, i definately dn’t want to ever get booed!
April 24, 2012 at 12:11 am #19088jalou1995
MemberShopkipa, post: 19075, member: 1939 wrote: haha,, i definately dn’t want to ever get booed!
that means he doesnt know how to read the crowd hehehehe. I’m doing it most of the time (fast transitions during the peak of excitement, one stanza and one chorus) never got booed. It added to the excitment and cheers as the crowd wasnt expecting another song to be mixed. It all depends on how you set the mood of the crowd and how effective you are on reading them.
April 24, 2012 at 12:16 am #19089shr3dder
MemberDepends on the style, I mix tech house/minimal generally and sometimes long 2-3 minute mixes are perfect, I’m from a more “traditional” background and was brought up with long outro-intro mixing.
I generally don’t like when a DJ is cutting, doing short mixes, throwing effects all over the top of a tune, tends to piss me off in 99% of the cases (James Zabiela is a perfect example, technically brilliant, but annoying as hell to watch)
Look at DJs like Digweed, Burridge, Villalobos, Derrick May etc etc you never hear them mashing tunes up, it’s just a different style. not right or wrong. Certainly not a sign of a bad/boring DJ.It’s gotta be done right though, on the 32/64 bar, in key etc etc.
April 24, 2012 at 1:07 am #19093solo_roller228
MemberI hear what the OP is saying. My 1-hour sets are usually about 20-23 songs depending on the genre, which is usually house, breaks, or dubstep. I don’t like to let tracks go on to the point that the crowd gets bored, however, I tend to let newer songs that I like and want to be heard run a little longer than usual.
April 24, 2012 at 1:00 pm #19132VinnyBlanc
ParticipantI felt inclined to share this.
I was out this weekend in Philly and was out at a completely packed club. The DJ was using SSL/1200s/Pio mixer/
I saw him tweeking a few EQs here and there, but sware he played most of the night in Internal mode. No beatmatching/No mixing ..just slammed from song to song on the “1”Internally I was so frustrated and couldn’t even enjoy myself until I started to look around at this over capacity club with everyone jamming out and now fully understand how song selection >>>> mixing.
Not that I advocate this style, but it’s not about showing off to the 3 other DJs in the room as much as keeping the other 300 people dancing/drinking.
April 24, 2012 at 2:13 pm #1003662Reason808
ParticipantYou are litterly mixing a basic drum beat to a basic drum beat and then moving onto your next track.
…With todays day and age… controllers these days a lot of the time consuming work has been done.
DJs who dont really mix.
I agree with all these points. I’d go even further add that DJs who simply hit the sync button going from one drum intro to the next are little more than glorified jukeboxes in today’s auto-sync age. I’m not a beat mix purist, but if you’re going to mix this lazily, what’s the point?
4 minutes a song…which is pretty much the whole damn song.
Now I’m a little confused. Since most EDM tracks are about 6-9 minutes, that’s a pretty substantial edit.
today it seems it more about the each individual song, than back in the 90s when it was all about the mix.
I’ve noticed EDM intros have gotten much longer since the nineties. 16/32 bar intros were the norm but now 64 seems standard. The buildups are also much longer. I’m even setting my first real musical cue point 2-3 minutes into the song now and then. Maybe the lazier DJ’s are following this trend?
April 24, 2012 at 2:32 pm #19138Hee Won Jung
Participantsolo_roller228, post: 19199, member: 963 wrote: I hear what the OP is saying. My 1-hour sets are usually about 20-23 songs depending on the genre, which is usually house, breaks, or dubstep. I don’t like to let tracks go on to the point that the crowd gets bored, however, I tend to let newer songs that I like and want to be heard run a little longer than usual.
Exactly this!!!
If I have a song that i think is just totally Banging…or its a brand new track that got released a week ago i do let it play out…but usually only from the first buildup to the beginning of the Outro then start mixing new stuff in.
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