What do you absolutely need to know when starting to produce?
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January 21, 2013 at 8:43 am #35400
little komodo
MemberProducing a good track takes years of experience and learning, so if you’re starting out, don’t expect too much for a while.
I like to see producing as a 3 stage process: composition, mixing, mastering. So when you’re starting out, just focus on your composing and arranging. You might find that when you’re beginning you’ll be able to churn out tracks left right and centre and that’s a good thing! As the weeks/months go on they’ll start coming out slower as you realise there is so much to be improved.
The key is to keep improving and learning. Don’t get stuck on a loop for more than about 20 minutes when you’re still arranging your track. You’ll learn to eventually incorporate the mixing stage when composing, but make sure it doesn’t replace it!
The best time to start a new track is in the morning – I can’t remember why but it’s got something to do with the left/right parts of your brain and the creative one working better when you wake up haha 🙂
Keep your volumes out of the red, eq out lower frequencies when you’re not using them. Just basic mixing.
Set yourself deadlines as well, don’t get stuck in front of the screen for too long.
There’s so much to say so I won’t let myself ramble too much. Have funJanuary 21, 2013 at 10:39 am #35407kubin
MemberHey,
- YouTube is a HUGE (if not overwhelming) resource for Tutorials on producing to give you the basics, for example it helps you to decide what software you want to use, how to set it up correctly and how to get the first few steps done
- I’d suggest you don’t rely too much on Tutorials though, I learned that I get the best results with my own methods because I completely understand them in every aspect, which provides me with the possibility to adapt them for my current needs
- If you don’t have any musical background (like playing an instrument), I’d suggest you dig into that as well. Having a basic understanding of harmonics, chords and rhythmics improves the quality of your compositions a lot
- Listen A LOT and CAREFULLY to tracks that are similar to what kind of music you want to make. Producing is a lot of experience, and after you managed to get yourself a few basic skills you will notice a lot of stuff in tracks you didn’t hear before, stuff like panned frequencies, filtering, etc.
Also get yourself some decent headphones and listen to your music with them, that changes your experience of a track a lot - If you really want to make good music, don’t be afraid of investing some money in it. Buying high-quality sample and loop packs and getting good hardware is one of the key aspects to make your songs sound good, although that is probably one or two steps after you did your first attempts 🙂
Hope that helps getting you started,
CheersJanuary 21, 2013 at 8:18 pm #35432DigitalJunkiie
MemberBoth great posts by kubin and little komodo.
My biggest piece of advice I can give anyone starting out producing. Is to just dig deep and start unraveling back the secrets of your DAW. I think of producing as a giant Wood block. The DAW is the tools to chip and chime away at this wood block. And your journey to produce a track is like chipping away at the wood to create a sculpture. Its a time consuming journey but once you figure everything out (Which you never will since theres always new techniques and new ways to produce things coming out the A$$ best part about producing!) but enough so you can slowly start cultivating these amazing statues.
But the biggest BIGGEST THING anyone has to remember, is that its a journey, you don’t bang out banger tracks right away! Unless you are a musical prodigy which I am not therefore I can’t say I’ve made banging tracks. (still on my own journey, finding my sound) producing is an investment. It is the only thing I can truthfully say will give YOU what you give IT.
So just open up that DAW, load up some tutorials and just start hammering away. Experience is learnt not taught.
January 21, 2013 at 8:39 pm #35434Nick Powers
ParticipantAnother question I have is how to start, do I make little bits then put them together or do I start from the beginning and build the song from a simple bass line or something similar to it?
January 21, 2013 at 9:04 pm #35436sketosomania
MemberNick Powers, post: 35504, member: 2466 wrote: My goal for the New Year is to at least produce one okay track, what do I NEED to know when I sit down and start doing something? Thank you for the advice.
You just read my mind!!! I had opened the forums to create the exact same topic only to see that you had already made one
I have a couple of questions.
Do we first produce basslines , buildups , drop, beats separately and then mix them in or create it as we go?
Where do we learn the basics?January 22, 2013 at 4:47 am #35442Nick Powers
Participantsketosomania, post: 35592, member: 2642 wrote: You just read my mind!!! I had opened the forums to create the exact same topic only to see that you had already made one
I have a couple of questions.
Do we first produce basslines , buildups , drop, beats separately and then mix them in or create it as we go?
Where do we learn the basics?I also have those questions haha thanks for asking them
January 22, 2013 at 8:27 am #35452Terry_42
KeymasterWhat you need to start serious producing:
- Understanding of the basics of musical theory
- Understanding the basics of song writing
- Playing a musical instrument is a good thing
- Understanding the basics of rhythm theory
- Deep knowledge of the genre you want to produce for and the application of musical and rhythm theory on that genre
- Deep knowledge of the scales used in the genre you want to produce for
- Deep knowledge of the history of the genre and its origins you want to produce for
January 22, 2013 at 10:15 am #35465kubin
Membersketosomania, post: 35592, member: 2642 wrote: Do we first produce basslines , buildups , drop, beats separately and then mix them in or create it as we go?
There’s no key formula for that, sometimes you have a bass line on your mind you want to build a track upon, sometimes you just play around because you’re bored and suddenly end up with a nice intro or something and then work from there.
Music is not something you can create by simply following steps somebody has written down for you.
sketosomania, post: 35592, member: 2642 wrote: Where do we learn the basics?
Google, YouTube, Books, .. there are lots of resources you can start from. Search for “Ableton Basics”, “Cubase Basics”, “Logic Basics”, “Reason Basics” or “Whatever Program You’d Like To Use Or Try Out Basics” on YouTube, there’s a lot of stuff on there.
January 22, 2013 at 1:54 pm #35474kade_14@hotmail.com
ParticipantI knew nothing when i first started a year ago and i have come along way since then. Its easy to think of what you wanna make its another thing to actually be able to make the sounds. I ve just started learnig basic chord theory and it helps a lot. Stay persistant and you will be fine! GL!
January 22, 2013 at 6:53 pm #35487Arthur Kokanov
ParticipantI’ve jumped right in yesterday and spent the entire day playing around with ableton… The lesson that i walked away with is that its almost like making a sandwich. You start out with basics and build on that. once you are finished your sounds all work together to create one amazing taste in your mouth… Creating electronic music is having everythign work together perfectly to create one sound. YUM! And that takes time to learn what works with what…
January 22, 2013 at 11:34 pm #35490Nick Powers
ParticipantSo I want to produce house music, where can I gain a lot of knowledge about it?
January 23, 2013 at 7:36 am #35496Terry_42
KeymasterStarting to watch a movie from the end forward is usually not productive…
You should start with basic music theory…The problem why many productions fall short nowadays and never even get played by insiders are simply:
Producers invest a lot of time just learning the tools (Logic, Ableton, Maschine,…) but lack real knowledge about what they should do.January 23, 2013 at 7:45 pm #35545djatome
ParticipantI agree on the fact that learning to produce is a tough process. I got started over a year ago using Reason, felt disappointed oh-so-many times about the sound quality (the sound either being to harsh, lacking punchiness, not enough bass or too much of it etc etc) and composition. Although the end product still sounds like crap, I feel a lot more comfortable working with the software and I have a better idea what I’m doing now.
If you would like to get started using Reason, http://www.boyinaband.com is a good site to start. It has many videos on creating a track in a certain genre in a couple of days, e.g. 7 day dubstep tutorial, 7 day electro tutorial etc. It taught me the basics on sound synthesis, composition and mixing / mastering.
January 23, 2013 at 11:02 pm #35555Nick Powers
ParticipantTerry_42, post: 35652, member: 1843 wrote: Starting to watch a movie from the end forward is usually not productive…
You should start with basic music theory…The problem why many productions fall short nowadays and never even get played by insiders are simply:
Producers invest a lot of time just learning the tools (Logic, Ableton, Maschine,…) but lack real knowledge about what they should do.I played a saxophone and have been a percussionist for about three years, is that okay for knowing music theory? Is there other stuff I can do to learn it?
January 24, 2013 at 8:21 am #35576Terry_42
KeymasterI have no idea. Some people play guitar for 20 years and never even learn how to read notes or know what scales they play in, as they only trained pre defined riffs their teachers gave them.
Of course being a percussionist I would think you got beat composition at least in part down, but if you know about all the beat accentuations I do not know. I know some percussionists who just like to “feel” etc. and they will never reach the perfection of a studied jazz percussionist who knows the composition of beats perfectly. No idea where you would fall into.Same with sax. Not an easy instrument (played a little myself) playing it three years can mean you learned some note reading and basic harmonies, but if you know about musical scales and modes, their composition, their history and how they came to be: I do not know.
So for example for my latest production the rapper I produced for wanted “some asian” influence in his song. So I had to blend a hip hop beat based on a delayed 4/4 with a Phrygian Mode synth, blending in Hirajoshi Mode percussive strings. If you have no idea what I am talking about in this sentence, then yes playing that instrument 3 years does not make you a composer/producer.
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