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  • #37589
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Hmm check every volume setting you have again. Channel gains, master volumes etc.
    I have a similar USB Audio (also form Focusrite) and with my Rockit 6s I have to tune it WAY down in the software or my ears explode…

    #37603
    henley
    Participant

    set your channel faders all the way up to 100% and use the gain to tweak the levels until the vu’s are right.

    #37604
    niu02kevin
    Participant

    Should I have the auto-gain and limiter turned off? IF I turn everything all the way up: audio interface, gain, master volume, turn headroom up to +0db, my speakers……..yeah, it’s louder. But I’m thinking along the way I saw that everything should be set to +0dB.

    Nominal output level (balanced) is +10dBu…..so according to this article:

    http://www.digitaldjtips.com/2011/03/traktor-gain-sound-level-settings/

    Shouldn’t the master be at -10dB for real output of 0dB?
    Or is this just if plugged into a huge mixer on a massive club system?
    I’m getting conflicting information from different sources.

    #37607
    henley
    Participant

    the article has more relevance for playing out on a large system. if you’re just at home you can be a bit more flexible. try bumping up your rokits to +3

    #37611
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    What it says is that if you drive it to 0dBfs (decibels relative to full scale) which, too keep things simple, is the no clipping limit of a digital system (in this case your FocusRite), it will output an analogue level of +10dBu.

    Autogain should mean that Traktor normalizes your tracks, i.e. make them all equally loud by changing the gain for you. Which is what you would normally do manually in say a CD setup. It shouldn’t make your entire system sound less loud.

    The limiter is supposed to make sure you don’t go louder than the level it is set to. You could switch it off and see what the difference is, although I don’t think that is where your problem sits.

    Question is, where does it sit?!

    In effect, a software mixer (like in Traktor) is no different from a regular analogue mixer as far as the gain structure is concerned. In a PA environment you’d set your amps to max (in your case your Rokits to +6dB). Like Henley said you use the channel gain knobs to set the correct channel level for the song that is playing (or have Traktor take care of that for you through autogain) and with your faders at 100% you should be at 0dB average output for that channel.

    You now have a channel that sends 0dB average into your setup and an amp that is open all the way. The only thing sitting in between these two and what determines how loud it will sound is the master volume/gain. You want to keep it under a certain level to prevent (digital) clipping, but apart from that you can run it up to the level you need to get the sound level you want out of your speakers. And like Terry said, usually you won’t be able to turn everything up to 100% because it would be too loud.

    The only thing that is an unknown for me at this point is the setting of the FocusRite. I know on my DigiRack002 I can control my sound levels with the monitor knob on the AI. I know your Focusrite has a monitor knob. It MIGHT be the one control you need to turn up to get the level you need. Alternatively you might be able to set the output level in the FocusRite tool.

    Something else I noticed on the FR, is that it has an input/playback knob for direct monitoring. What that does (I think) is give you the possibility of choosing the mix between listening to what comes into your in ports (which is nothing in your case!) and what comes back out through the USB port. If that is set like it is in the picture (halfway) or even further towards Input, I can imagine that would lower the actual output as well.

    Sorry for the long a** answer (again lol), but I really do think that the correct settings for the FR might be where you need to look.

    Greetinx,
    C.

    p.s. the offer of pm still stands 🙂

    p.s. 2. I just took a quick look at the FR manual and it more or less confirms what I said here. The monitor knob controls the total sound output to the speakers connected to the balanced TRS connectors (not the RCA’s though) and the Input/Playback rotary knob lets you blend direct input and return from DAW (or your traktor sound). So, the Input/Playback knob should be fully to the Playback setting, the monitor knob, well, as high as you want the volume coming out of your speakers 🙂

    #37612
    niu02kevin
    Participant

    Thanks for all the information guys. I’m going to mess around a bit, read through the user guide from Focusrite, maybe re-install the driver, check the settings, and I’ll get back to you. It’s snowing like crazy so I’m not going anywhere today.

    #37614
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    niu02kevin, post: 37768, member: 8306 wrote: Thanks for all the information guys. I’m going to mess around a bit, read through the user guide from Focusrite, maybe re-install the driver, check the settings, and I’ll get back to you. It’s snowing like crazy so I’m not going anywhere today.

    Good luck, checking the two knobs on the FR should be fairly quick to do, before reinstalling stuff.

    Let us know what happens.

    Greetinx,
    C.

    #37616
    niu02kevin
    Participant

    I think the direct monitor knob allows me to adjust between hearing what I play, (if I ever do) through the mic inputs on the front along with the track playing. I dunno. Of note: The Rokit G2 Series User Guide states that the factory preset gain for system volume is, to my surprise, +6dB. It goes on to state that, “normally, adjustments would ONLY be made if you were using your monitor in a surround system and needed balanced levels OR if your monitor send is too hot and not adjustable.

    Later, it also says that the high frequency adjustment has a factory setting of flat, +0dB.

    Hmmm, this is strange to me. Preset is +6dB for one and flat for the other. Well, just messing around before, I know I turned up the system volume to +3dB and it is a significant increase in volume output. I will continue to experiment and let you know what I cam come up with.

    I just want to have everything right, get best volume output with out damaging anything while maintaining highest sound quality. I also want to understand why……it’s just my nature.

    I also want to understand it, so if ever called upon to perform wether on a PA at a party/bar or on a complicated system, I will know what to do.

    @Chuck, what is the pm offer?

    #37618
    niu02kevin
    Participant

    @Chuck, just saw your other post, P.S. 2. Thanks, will get back to you with results.

    #37621
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    LOL, I hear you on the wanting to understand stuff. I am like that (much to the dismay of my surrounding sometimes lol).

    The pm offer was for Private Message. Sometimes these sessions start to go beyond the scope of a thread on the forum and it is better to take it to 1-on-1 conversation.

    Curious to see what you find out.

    As far as the settings on the Rokits go: the level knob has a max level of +6dB. As I said in my earlier reply, you want to set your amp to max (in this case the mentioned +6dB, which as you figured out is the factory default setting) and control the actual level going INTO the Rokits with your master volume fader/knob. The treble setting just allows you to finetune the highs a bit compared to the low/mid section. This is often relevant when tuning the monitors to the space they are used in or the condition of your ears :-). Them being set to 0dB means in relationship to the total level setting of the Rokit. If you were to set the total level setting to max (+6dB), but you would set the treble to -3dB, the effective signal for the treble amp would be +6 – 3 = + 3dB. Hence the flat setting for default as the Rokits are factory tuned to sound balanced with no extra or less treble.

    Greetinx,
    C.

    #37708
    niu02kevin
    Participant

    Sorry, forgot to f/up. Turning the Rokits up to +3 then +6 provdes MORE than enough volume. And yes Chuck, direct monitor turned all the way to playback is necessary. Its like a mix knob. IF I was dropping some sick rhymes atop my dj mix , it adjusts the mic input volume vs. playback in my computer. (my novice explanation) Focusrite monitor volume @ about 2/3 O’clock is enough to blow dry my hair via the ports on the Rokits. Easy fix, always is. Learning…….everyday. Sometime I forget it took me a decade to learn my profession. Thanks for the input and discussion .

    #37709
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Glad to hear you got it to work as it should, glad to help.

    Chuck for resident techie! Hahahaha.

    Enjoy man & greetinx,
    C.

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