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  • #2132571
    Gary
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    Hey, I`m currently going thru the same problem, having a hard time deciding because of financial capabilities at the moment.

    Good luck with your findings. Also, do keep updates, I wanna make a full comparison before getting anything!,

    also, how bout that pioneer XDJ-RX? thoughts?

    #2132631
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Simple, Traktor is good at one thing in particular, tight EDM tracks. Rocksteady beats throughout the track. It gets the sync right most of the time. So, with all those FX and remix decks to play with, they figure you have plenty to do without keeping your decks in sync. You let Traktos sync it all for you and keep yourself busy with all the live remixes, mashups and what have you.

    So, if you are purely in electronic dance music, Traktor might be for you. Otherwise, Serato, which you already have and know, might be the best choice still.
    Using Serato with a controller will open a host of options that your DVS system didn’t offer you. Not sure how much extra features you’d be getting from a Traktor setup vs a Serato one (especially with flip now).

    As for the RX. If you come from CDJs and you are a RekordBox-centric DJ already, this would be a good unit to practice at home without buying a 5k+ club setup. Then you can take your memory stick to the club and play on. The thing being that you have as much (or rather AS LITTLE) by way of features as you would on a 2000 NXS / 900 setup. If you are a DJ software DJ already, my guess is that you WILL find the RX lacking in many respects.

    Just my two cents, as usual

    #2132651
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    And the kicker is: You have to decide in Rekordbox if you want to export and setup for the RX or CDJ Nexus. So your stick will not be compatible… that is the latest 😉

    #2135751
    Tolani Bounty
    Participant

    Hi Everyone , This is my first time commenting on the site. I own the pioneer ddj sz controller and I am having a technical challenge with it . the third and fourth channel always shows “thru” anytime I load any track in it with I am unable to hear the music I am playing in the channels once it shows “thru” . please any advice on what could go wrong . Thanks

    #2135841
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    While I don’t personally know the SZ very well, thru usually is an indication that (in a DVS setup) the actual sound of the vinyl is sent to the channel, rather than the timecode signal is used by the software. This is so you can use both timecode to control your DJ software decks and play regular vinyls without re-plugging stuff.

    So my thoughts are this is where you should look for the answer.

    Your SZ has small switches at the top of the channel faders. For channels 3 and 4 the options are Line/Phono/USB. Line is the setting if you have anything else (like CDJs) connected to the SZ. Phono is when you hook up a Turntable and want to play regular vinyls. USB is when you want to use the channel either for regular 3rd and 4th deck operation (which is then either controlled by control vinyl on a TT or by the controller deck (switch deck 1/3 or 2/4). There is a place in settings (audio tab I think) where you can set if you are using turntables at all and what to do with timecode signal. If you are not using TTs, this should be switched off I think.

    Again, this is based on manual and experience with other DVS setups, so hope it helps.

    #2135911
    Sean Gretka
    Participant

    Excellent reply and thank you for taking the time to post it.

    The more and more I read up on it the more Traktor does seem like the EDM DJ’s choice. Until they release an update for their beat grids to allow for tempo changes in songs I fear the longer this will be the case.

    That in mind, for myself I play mostly Dance, House, Garage, DnB, and occasionally Pop, Hip Hop and RnB when the night calls for it, so my main styles shouldn’t be effected by tempo changes (maybe in the rare case), and most other electronic music I play doesn’t have this issue either that I have noticed.

    It just seems that Traktor gives more options to play around and put your own unique twist to mixes and Serato is more of traditional record box in a laptop with a built in sampler.

    I think my mind is made up and I’m going to go for the S8. Its just seems to open up more possibilities and tools to put your own mark on your sets than Serato does. The lack of jog wheels is still an issue but I guess its something I will have to adapt to.

    Still would like to hear from anyone who has tried beat matching on one if your out there!

    #2136331
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    I doubt most of our Serato using readers will agree with you there. Especially with Flip now on the table. I doubt my dear fellow moderator would appreciate his performances qualified as being done with a “traditional record box in a laptop with a built-in sampler” either.

    However, we do support anybody in his/her very personal choice and if that is what you think will work for you, more power to you.

    Good luck!

    #2136351
    Sean Gretka
    Participant

    I mean no offence to anyone who uses serato. Just without spending even more money on the expansion packs it just didn’t really offer much for me.

    I’m not knocking the software or its capabilities it’s just not for me.

    #2136391
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Hi Sean, no problem. We are a (we think) very reader-friendly place and want to keep it that way. I am sure you were well intended and not trying to be offensive. However, your statement could considered somewhat offensive by Serato users.

    We generally try to stay away from any kind of this or that IS better statements. No harm, no foul. Just better that I react to it now, rather than having to squelch a discussion later on.

    As I said, we will always support people in what is essentially a very personal decision. Good luck with your choice.

    #2136421
    Sean Gretka
    Participant

    Point taken and sorry again.

    That being said, have you or anyone else used an S8?

    Curious to know people’s thoughts on it

    #2136431
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    I do believe I saw one or two comments on it, but not sure by who.

    #2136651
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    That are old stories you read.
    Serato now has Serato Flip, while it is a rather different take than for example Traktor’s remix decks, I find it very cool.
    Actually it is more DJ like. In Traktor’s Remix decks you have to prepare the remix set you want to use and load it into the decks to have it ready when you push the buttons. With Serato Flip you can slice up and remix your song totally on the fly and that is really awesome. It is much like a slicer on steroids.
    Speaking of slicer that is an awesome remix tool too, look at the forum video (sticky thread at the top of this forum) and check out my performance pad video.
    Same goes for effect racks and stacking effects they are now IMHO up to bar with Serato now actually having iZotope studio quality effects.

    So while Traktor has been quite on the standstill since the introduction of remix decks, Serato has not copied Traktor in that regard, but they have made their own thing and I find it actually pretty amazing what they did and find it very much “thinking like a DJ”. Because honestly if I want to DJ with remix decks, Ableton Live actually does a better job than Traktor and needs less prep work.
    With Serato you can now live remix without much prep work (you should know the song very well though to pull it off).

    So that black and white world you describe does not exist anymore in my book. As Serato did heavy innovating the last year while Traktor pretty much stood still.

    #2136771
    Sean Gretka
    Participant

    Now that is useful info! Thank you for taking the time to write it.

    See now I am reconsidering my decision lol.

    Don’t get me wrong Serato has served me quite well the only issue I’ve had is with the latency between the vinyl and the macbook after using it for a few hours, and I would have to restart the software to get it working right again. Not sure if that is a glitch or whether its my laptop but nether the less it happened a lot and was annoying and unreliable.

    However I believe that issue would be solved by using a pioneer DDJ SX2 or the like. They look like so much fun!

    I have contacted a local shop which stocks both the DDJ SX2 and the Traktor S8 and said they have demo booths set up so I can try both and see which one I prefer.

    I think this is the only way I am going to solve my problem and be able to make a decision as to which one to buy.

    #2136861
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Indeed, there is a lot depending on your personal workflow and also about where you want to invest time.
    Some people love to prepare their sets to death and sit at home doing edits and cuts to make the perfect remix set. That is just not me for example.
    I more like knowing my tunes inside out, learning and experimenting at home a lot with the different possibilities and then try to pull it off live if it sounds good. That is why Serato is for me, which does not mean that Traktor is bad, they just cater to different people.

    #2136881
    Tolani Bounty
    Participant

    Thanks @ Dj Vintage regarding the “thru” problem with my DDJ-SZ and with your help I have figured it out . Really appreciate it much and please keep up the good work you have been doing on here. Great article going on and I am becoming addicted to reading post on this forum . Regarding the Serato flip , I am yet to really know how to figure it out and use it with my mix and make a remix with it . Any video to help me on how to help me on the serato flip . Thanks

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