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  • #1264

    The sample decks are just outputs, like 4 mini-decks (sorta, note quite). The only sample-deck-related reason to run anything from the mixer back into the computer is if you want to record with the loop recorder, then move the recording to a sample deck.

    I upgraded to TP2 because it was free with my S4, and it’s almost just an update from TPS4.

    #1000522

    Coloured, hi def waveforms. Love em. i was one of the first to upgrade cos I happened to be off work sick on the day it was released 😀

    #1283

    Yeah, the waveforms are definitely very nice. If you use the waveforms it’s probably a very useful upgrade. They make it really easy to figure out what’s going on in a song where.

    I think you should just read up on the changes and decide whether they’re worth the cost. I can’t do a comparison for you, because I started out with TPS4, which is very close to TP2. Happy to answer any questions though.

    #1294
    Chris Jennings
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    Benny’s right on how the sample decks work. You can even use them with a two channel mixer since T2 lets you run the audio of two decks out of one channel. If you’re still on T1 the sample decks are more of a reason to switch than colored wave forms, but the colored wave forms are very nice to have imo. Plus the zoom in on the wave forms have made gridding songs a little easier on some of those tougher songs.

    #1747
    Liambo
    Member

    I haven’t upgraded yet, haven’t found a use for the sample decks and the coloured waveforms i do not need as i like to memorise the track inside out before i even play it to a crowd so i don’t need to know ‘what’s happening in the track’. As i already know.

    #1881

    You’ll find a use for them once you have them to play with. You can throw loops in there too. As for the waveforms, they obviously can’t show you everything that’s going on. There’s no replacement for knowing your tracks.

    #1000670
    ellgieff
    Member

    Benny Mackney, post: 1870 wrote: You’ll find a use for them once you have them to play with. You can throw loops in there too. As for the waveforms, they obviously can’t show you everything that’s going on. There’s no replacement for knowing your tracks.

    What do the sample decks do (given that I can’t use the loop recorder to drop a sample in because I don’t want to give up a channel for it) that can’t be done with the 3rd & 4th decks in TSP?

    Just to make sure we’re clear, this is a genuine question. I’m not stirring or trying to wind people up – is there something you can do with the sample decks that I can’t do with a sample loaded to the fourth deck?

    Coloured waveforms don’t do that much for me. The waveform I used to read off the record didn’t have no colour 😛

    #1905
    Liambo
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    ellgieff, post: 1882 wrote: What do the sample decks do (given that I can’t use the loop recorder to drop a sample in because I don’t want to give up a channel for it) that can’t be done with the 3rd & 4th decks in TSP?

    Just to make sure we’re clear, this is a genuine question. I’m not stirring or trying to wind people up – is there something you can do with the sample decks that I can’t do with a sample loaded to the fourth deck?

    Coloured waveforms don’t do that much for me. The waveform I used to read off the record didn’t have no colour :p

    To be honest you said this exactly how i wanted to say it…!! 🙂

    I don’t dislike the whole sample deck thing as i think its a fantastic idea for people that can put it to good use, but me personally don’t need it yet, and often when i do use samples i often use vinyl samples of samples from old CD’s from years ago.

    #1910
    Phil Morse
    Keymaster

    You can have up to four samples per channel you give up and control them independently, so you get more flexibility than just having a sample track loaded on a deck with some cue points pointing at the samples you want to use. You can also record straight into the loop recorder then transfer your recording to a sample deck – whether that’s part of a track or your own voice. So there is the chance to get more creative with them than just dropping samples from a 3rd and/or 4th deck.

    #1000674
    Liambo
    Member

    Phil Morse, post: 1899 wrote: You can have up to four samples per channel you give up and control them independently, so you get more flexibility than just having a sample track loaded on a deck with some cue points pointing at the samples you want to use. You can also record straight into the loop recorder then transfer your recording to a sample deck – whether that’s part of a track or your own voice. So there is the chance to get more creative with them than just dropping samples from a 3rd and/or 4th deck.

    I totally understand this, and as i said they sound like a fantastic idea for people that will put it to use. Infact i think it would be brilliant to watch someone use this to potential but i just like a third deck and long blends of tunes with acapellas and added simple effects. But thats my preference 😉

    #1926
    ellgieff
    Member

    Phil Morse, post: 1899 wrote: You can have up to four samples per channel you give up and control them independently, so you get more flexibility than just having a sample track loaded on a deck with some cue points pointing at the samples you want to use. You can also record straight into the loop recorder then transfer your recording to a sample deck – whether that’s part of a track or your own voice. So there is the chance to get more creative with them than just dropping samples from a 3rd and/or 4th deck.

    So I could be running up to 4 samples at once from a single sample deck? I could see doing some exciting things with that, if I had a midi controller mapped to deal with it nicely. Does each of those sample have an independent gain? What about EQ or F/X, could I apply this to just one of the samples?

    This sounds more interesting than I’d originally thought, but I think I’m spoilt by having a KP-3 (which does pretty much what we’re talking about here, plus some other stuff). Of course, that’s another piece of hardware I have to lug around.

    Benny Mackney, post: 1272 wrote: I think you should just read up on the changes and decide whether they’re worth the cost. I can’t do a comparison for you, because I started out with TPS4, which is very close to TP2. Happy to answer any questions though.

    Thanks Benny. I have had a look over the changes – and so far the only features I can see that potentially mean anything to me are the ones you guys have raised here. I guess that’s why I’m looking for opinions from people who have actually made the upgrade from 1 to 2.

    @FEP: What help is seeing what the track is doing for you? As in: how does this help you?

    Again, for clarity: a genuine question, not rhetorical …

    #1937

    ellgieff, post: 1915 wrote: So I could be running up to 4 samples at once from a single sample deck? I could see doing some exciting things with that, if I had a midi controller mapped to deal with it nicely. Does each of those sample have an independent gain? What about EQ or F/X, could I apply this to just one of the samples?

    @FEP: What help is seeing what the track is doing for you? As in: how does this help you?

    Each ‘Sample Deck’ has 4 slots for one shots or loops, each of which has its own independent gain and filter. The deck itself has all the usual deck controls such as EQ, gain, filter, FX etc but that is of course shared between the 4 slots.

    Before getting the coloured waveforms I thought they’d just be a nice aesthetic addition, but I actually find them very useful. Mainly because if you load a track without ever having heard it before (not something I recommend of course, hehe) you can tell the structure of the song along with where it’s bass heavy (red or pink) etc. Rather than just seeing how loud it is like you can with the TP1 yellow waves.

    Liambo is right, knowing your music is important, but this certainly helps to jog your memory.

    #1940
    ellgieff
    Member

    fullenglishpint, post: 1926 wrote: Each ‘Sample Deck’ has 4 slots for one shots or loops, each of which has its own independent gain and filter. The deck itself has all the usual deck controls such as EQ, gain, filter, FX etc but that is of course shared between the 4 slots.

    Before getting the coloured waveforms I thought they’d just be a nice aesthetic addition, but I actually find them very useful. Mainly because if you load a track without ever having heard it before (not something I recommend of course, hehe) you can tell the structure of the song along with where it’s bass heavy (red or pink) etc. Rather than just seeing how loud it is like you can with the TP1 yellow waves.

    Liambo is right, knowing your music is important, but this certainly helps to jog your memory.

    Good stuff, thanks man. I do occasionally drop tracks I haven’t heard all the way through on my radio show, so that could be handy – although most tracks have a pretty similar structure anyway, and I know which artists like to break the “rules”, so I’m extra careful with those ones.

    Have you noticed any changes with the automatic BPM / Beat detection algorithms? I play breaks, and Traktor often struggles to get even close. Also, does the higher definition mean it’s easier to manually beatgrid?

    #1944

    Higher def can make it harder to beatgrid, because you can see the actual structure of the beat itself not just the transient marker. The algorithm does seem to be improved though, it’s much better at getting it first time.

    #2862
    Chris Jennings
    Participant

    You could als run 4 sample decks with 16 sample slots for some pretty interesting creating going on. The way I’ve got my X1 mapped it’s really pretty easy to change all of these decks on the fly to whatever size or flavor I want.

    ellgieff, post: 1929 wrote:
    Have you noticed any changes with the automatic BPM / Beat detection algorithms? I play breaks, and Traktor often struggles to get even close. Also, does the higher definition mean it’s easier to manually beatgrid?

    I think starting with S4 the detection has been better. Not sure about breaks specifically, but the few tracks like that I’ve gridded have been pretty good from the start.

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