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August 16, 2012 at 10:26 am #1009768
Steelo
ParticipantRead the manual before asking!
August 16, 2012 at 11:25 am #1009772Terry_42
KeymasterI think it works both ways.
While I had to learn a lot of stuff the hard way myself (I started around 93′) and turntables were not the easiest to tame that day, I prolly would not have been able to switch to digital so easy without the tips I found here and elsewhere (and I have been using CDJs for quite some time already).Todays landscape has changed and even those that “get told” will at some point divide into the 2 major crowds:
1. The follower: They will always look for input from others any copy them
2. The innovator: They might have been told in the beginning, but through experimentation they move on and define their own style.Both have existed also in 93′ when I started, it was only much more effort to copy stuff, as you had to go to clubs, watch the DJs there, get a mentor etc. etc. etc. and things today are much easier, with digital and with the internet.
But what it comes down to is still the same:
Without being an innovator, you will not get noticed beyond a certain border.
Without a passion and love for music you will never create something special in your mixes.
The experience that follows is a crowd that will go mental on the dancefloor and that special looks you will get for creating a moment of magic…. priceless and nobody can be told how to achieve it, as IT IS magic.August 16, 2012 at 12:22 pm #1009779J-Zed
ParticipantI agree and disagree…
While it’s great that we now have nearly unlimited resources to learn anything, it also did create teh problem where people are unwilling to figure things out by using a bit of problem solving and common sense. Following Terry’s posts, I think we’ll end up with more followers than ever as information is almost too easy to obtain which shuts down our ability to be creative. This is in regards to DJing and almost everything else. With the lack of creativity in many people I think those who go the extra step to figure things out themselves or add their own spin to the information they did read will be able to seperate themselves from the pack more than ever.
August 16, 2012 at 3:41 pm #1009794D-Jam
ParticipantBack in 1992 I had a local DJ show me how to do things properly.
Everyone needs help, and I’m glad I can give it.
August 17, 2012 at 7:23 am #1009852G-Bee
MemberWhen I started dj’ing, my only help was on a forum. I remember when I got my first gear, I had no clue what to do next. What is beatmatching? When do you drop a new record? etc. etc.
Little tricks like beatmatching on the first snare or kickdrum got me on a quick start. You might think stuff like that speaks for itself, but perhaps you have forgotten what it was like when you put your first record on the platter?
August 17, 2012 at 8:17 am #1009856Beedle
ParticipantYeah i think most of us would have a foot in both camps, i also started in the mid-90’s (horrendous Citronic Belt-Drive decks with a mind of their own tempo-wise!) and probably like most of us here i spent months and months train-wrecking before finally starting to grasp certain techniques that worked, (counting bars, dropping the first beat at the start of the bar etc etc blah blah 🙂 ) and i pretty much did it all with no outside help, but that said, its a totally different world now and if people want to ask for help the internets the place to do it, and it can probably get people mixing and playing out in much less time (again, not always a good thing, haha), but i do agree with the OP in that some of the questions being asked just seem SO basic, with so little understanding of the music itself, that IMO some people just ‘want to be DJ’s’, rather than getting into it because you just cant get enough of the music, which should really be the only reason you get into the whole thing!
I’m probably coming across as a bit of a purist, which i’m honestly not, use the tools at hand to get better by all means, but dont just ask people basically ‘how do i DJ?!!!!!!!’ Practice for hours coz ya love it!
August 17, 2012 at 8:19 am #1009857backtothefront
Participantlongmover, post: 25962, member: 1361 wrote: One thing ive found about this site is the amount of questions asked on the musical aspect of Dj’ing: what track to start a mix, how to mix techno, how to fininsh a set, how to progaremme a mix, what to play for what crowd
whatever happended to learning all this stuff yourself?
I know the modern media we have gives instant access to all the answears at the click of a button but the amount of dj’s out that have gained knowledge from being told how to do things rather than learning it for themselves is for me very disheartening. This is why i beleive the crop of djs that started before the internet gained mass appeal to be a lot better than now. (massive generalisation I know)
its can be daunting stepping into the world of dj’ing but please have that pioneering spirit guys try things for yourselves before asking, you could suprise yourselves.
I tend to agree with this and I’m certainly not out to criticise new DJ’s just coming on board but it does seem there is a general lack of a bit of effort to search out for yourself, self learning if you like. Of course there’s nothing wrong with asking questions, it part of this learning process but before the internet it was a case of watching other DJ’s play, listen to mixtapes, go to your local record shop; and that was pretty much all you had to go on, the rest was up to you. In a wider context the net is a superb tool clearly, but I think on the whole we’ve become too accustomed to simply rely on it and not experiment/learn/play on our own.
August 17, 2012 at 8:23 am #1009858backtothefront
ParticipantBeedle, post: 26055, member: 651 wrote: Yeah i think most of us would have a foot in both camps, i also started in the mid-90’s (horrendous Citronic Belt-Drive decks with a mind of their own tempo-wise!) and probably like most of us here i spent months and months train-wrecking before finally starting to grasp certain techniques that worked, (counting bars, dropping the first beat at the start of the bar etc etc blah blah 🙂 ) and i pretty much did it all with no outside help, but that said, its a totally different world now and if people want to ask for help the internets the place to do it, and it can probably get people mixing and playing out in much less time (again, not always a good thing, haha), but i do agree with the OP in that some of the questions being asked just seem SO basic, with so little understanding of the music itself, that IMO some people just ‘want to be DJ’s’, rather than getting into it because you just cant get enough of the music, which should really be the only reason you get into the whole thing!
I’m probably coming across as a bit of a purist, which i’m honestly not, use the tools at hand to get better by all means, but dont just ask people basically ‘how do i DJ?!!!!!!!’ Practice for hours coz ya love it!
Well put, agree def. I similarly remember starting out on Soundlab Belt drive TT’s and it was only when I saw a mate a few months later that it finally clicked. I’d already grasped the phrasing of dance music and mixing in general from listening to mixtapes, but the actual transition from hearing to doing was the bit I struggled with. I recall it being a revelation when it happened! 🙂
August 17, 2012 at 8:42 am #1009860Beedle
Participant“I recall it being a revelation when it happened! :)”
Haha exactly right!!! I’ll never forget that first mix that actually worked, lined up perfectly and beat-matched, a religious experience!! (and just to put my wanky purist hat back on, its an experience robbed from people who only know the world of the Sync button! Haha)
August 17, 2012 at 9:16 am #1009862Prude leRude
ParticipantI had a seriously awful set of belt drive decks about 12 years ago and no one else I knew DJ’d. Without any help and not many resources on the internet I eventually gave up. I practiced for hours a day because I loved the music but didn’t have a clue about bpms so never figured why I couldn’t get things in time. I was mixing garage which ranges from around 128 – 150 so I had no hope really! I bought a Novation twitch recently as I was so keen to get back into it again due to a love of the music, and through a combination of reading up on techniques and trying things for myself have now got myself gigs booked in big clubs. I think it’s important to be able to learn basics from other people but also essential to take risks and try things for yourself.
August 19, 2012 at 2:52 am #1009950Steelo
ParticipantI don’t mind questions about mixing technique and such or if someone is having an issue when things don’t seem to be working but I must admit it irritates me when someone asks a question for something very simple that is clearly in the instruction manual or can be solved with a google search, but the person asking is just being lazy.
August 22, 2012 at 7:49 am #1010068Dalton Black
ParticipantPeople who paint still take art classes and evolve their own style, even after being taught and tutored.
August 23, 2012 at 12:52 pm #1010125DeeJay SiBoogie
Participantlongmover, post: 25962, member: 1361 wrote: One thing ive found about this site is the amount of questions asked on the musical aspect of Dj’ing: what track to start a mix, how to mix techno, how to fininsh a set, how to progaremme a mix, what to play for what crowd
whatever happended to learning all this stuff yourself?
I know the modern media we have gives instant access to all the answears at the click of a button but the amount of dj’s out that have gained knowledge from being told how to do things rather than learning it for themselves is for me very disheartening. This is why i beleive the crop of djs that started before the internet gained mass appeal to be a lot better than now. (massive generalisation I know)
its can be daunting stepping into the world of dj’ing but please have that pioneering spirit guys try things for yourselves before asking, you could suprise yourselves.
I guess you taught yourself everything about everything, didn’t bother going to school, didn’t need help growing up
What’s wrong with asking questions are you affraid the master will become the pupil. If some one ask a question about anything and I can offer advice I don’t mind giving an answer. You can show some one the path to being a DJ and how you DJ but the art of DJaying is something they have to a) have a real passion for b) master for themselvesAugust 24, 2012 at 12:44 pm #26263Reason808
ParticipantHmmm I see this problem ALL the time as a design teacher. Students immediately turn to Google to get their ideas, instead of thinking up their own. The instant ability to find answers is great for technical things, but it definitely is a powerful force against coming up with your own ideas.
August 25, 2012 at 7:46 am #1010210longmover
Member@ Si Boogie, your point b) is the premise behind this thread.
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