The Truth About DJing (to an underground artist)
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November 25, 2012 at 3:28 pm #32524
Fxn-L
MemberSo here’s some food for thought. Who’s responsibility is it to be educated about the music: yours or the audience’s? If you ask me, the DJ is the essential piece in understanding the music and presenting it in an enjoyable (or at the very least, digestible) manner to X group of people. They’re free to like whatever they like and if you’re playing to them then you need to be able to provide them a service that they’ll be satisfied with for the sake of all parties involved. Leaving the musical expertise in their court takes away from what you offer to them.
Don’t get me wrong though, I posted in essence this exact same thread right here about a year ago several months before I started my lounge gigs. I’m only trying to share what I’ve learned playing out as well. You’re by all means entitled to your choices as a DJ; whatever you choose to do- good on you.
November 25, 2012 at 5:16 pm #32529aaron altar
Participantrfb, post: 32651, member: 2662 wrote: Check the job description again because no matter how technically well executed your set was when people just didn’t dig the music you failed in terms of what you were hired to do. Simple as that.
I have to disagree with this line of thinking a little bit. I see it and hear it from all over the place. The way I see it is the promoter needs to take some responsibility for the entertainment. Look at it like this, if you’re hired to minimal techno by the promoter then you’re going to show up and play minimal techno. You’re job is to judge the time of night, energy level of the venue, etc. in order to pick the correct minimal techno tracks for that particular place and time. But, if a promoter hires you to play minimal techno and then draws a crowd that wants to hear top 40, you’re not going to be prepared for that and nor should you be. The promoter didn’t do his job in matching the entertainment to the audience. Think about it terms of bands if you prefer. A country bar wouldn’t book a metal band and if they were dumb enough to do that, would you expect the metal band to then play country music? In summary, I feel we all have a unique style of music and mixing that promoters need to evaluate based on their individual events instead of thinking, “let’s get a dj for Thursday night. Which dj should we get? Who cares they’re all the same, they just play other people’s records.” Incoherent rant over, hope you followed that.:)
November 25, 2012 at 5:52 pm #32534Fxn-L
Memberrjwhite41, post: 32685, member: 2565 wrote: Look at it like this, if you’re hired to minimal techno by the promoter then you’re going to show up and play minimal techno. You’re job is to judge the time of night, energy level of the venue, etc. in order to pick the correct minimal techno tracks for that particular place and time. But, if a promoter hires you to play minimal techno and then draws a crowd that wants to hear top 40, you’re not going to be prepared for that and nor should you be.
I politely disagree with you. My understanding of the DJing process is that it’s a fluid two-way system between the DJ and the customers/crowd. Unless one is bound to black-and-white programming through a contract, I believe that all DJs should at least have a back-up plan in the event things go awry.
rjwhite41, post: 32685, member: 2565 wrote: A country bar wouldn’t book a metal band and if they were dumb enough to do that, would you expect the metal band to then play country music?
You have a very good point here. However, the major difference between a metal band and a DJ is that a DJ’s entertainment can be dynamic and versatile as long as we’re not shackled by a piece of paper that restricts what we can play.
Again, nothing but respect. Every person has their own philosophy; I’m not trying to shove mine down anyone’s throat or anything.
November 25, 2012 at 11:30 pm #32544Amr
Membertotally agree with rjwhite41 if every single member in the crew is doing his job well enough you will end up with a decent party,
Fxn-L, post: 32690, member: 502 wrote: I believe that all DJs should at least have a back-up plan in the event things go awry.
a back up plan including the genre you play yes, well with all due respect you should also refer to this
http://www.digitaldjtips.com/2012/02/the-4-types-of-dj-which-are-you/you are speaking of a very broad concept of DJing and yes I agree but I don’t consider myself as an entertainer i’m there to play the music I love not to play whatever the crowd likes and/or wants to hear, and that’s probably one of the biggest reasons i’m not getting many gigs, I always keep it clear when I’m speaking to promoters owners etc. I’m there to play whatever I feel like playing at that particular moment if the people like it that’s nice if they don’t they don’t.
November 26, 2012 at 12:02 am #32549Fxn-L
MemberI think we’re fundamentally saying the same thing.
Amr, post: 32700, member: 2522 wrote: with all due respect you should also refer to this
http://www.digitaldjtips.com/2012/02/the-4-types-of-dj-which-are-you/I remember reading that a while back, it was a great read; thank you for referring me back to it. I chose to interpret that as grayscale; not every experience will land you in the same quadrant every night. I’ve been at all ends of this diagram but as I play what they want, I eventually become open to and fond of other styles of music that I may not have considered before. As a result, Quadrant I occurs more frequently than others over X amount of time. Once you find the right promoter who can supply the right crowd for you, I’m sure you’ll find yourself in the same boat.
November 26, 2012 at 1:17 am #32553aaron altar
ParticipantI don’t dj out of some need to stand on stage and play whatever other people want to hear (no offense intended to anyone, there is nothing wrong with playing what people want so they have a good time). I dj to play the music I love in a creative way. No requests and no concern for punters who stumbled into the wrong place. In that way we are different types of djs with different motivations. You’ll find me in Quadrant 1, and if I get booked by a bad promoter or I fail to properly evaluate the gig I may end up in Quadrant 2 but you’ll never find me in 3 or 4. Now if you’re concerned with djing paying your bills, then this attitude may not be for you.
November 26, 2012 at 7:41 am #32565Amr
Memberrjwhite41, post: 32709, member: 2565 wrote: I don’t dj out of some need to stand on stage and play whatever other people want to hear (no offense intended to anyone, there is nothing wrong with playing what people want so they have a good time). I dj to play the music I love in a creative way. No requests and no concern for punters who stumbled into the wrong place. In that way we are different types of djs with different motivations. You’ll find me in Quadrant 1, and if I get booked by a bad promoter or I fail to properly evaluate the gig I may end up in Quadrant 2 but you’ll never find me in 3 or 4. Now if you’re concerned with djing paying your bills, then this attitude may not be for you.
definitely, spot on bro, much respect.
Fxn-L, post: 32705, member: 502 wrote: Once you find the right promoter who can supply the right crowd for you, I’m sure you’ll find yourself in the same boat.
I hope so, even though it’s very hard and rare but I’ll keep looking for opportunities
thanks for the input guys.keep rocking
November 26, 2012 at 6:59 pm #32598D-Jam
Participantreason808, post: 31320, member: 831 wrote: But nobody’s mentioned what I think is the easiest way to get past your frustrations for the next 10 gigs: Change the “Me vs. Them” attitude. Isn’t going to help you. Your DJ career will be short and bitter.
Do you absolutely hate every big hit song out there? If not, why not? If you’re a DJ, your music tastes are broader and bigger than the average punter.
Instead of thinking that your music is “educated” “elevated” or “better,” think about the appealing qualities of your music, and how that will appeal to others.
Find common ground with hit tracks that are similar to your favorite music. If you get the crowd going with tracks they’re comfortable with, you can get them to follow you into unfamiliar (to them) waters.
I agree with you…but this is even why I tell the die-hards who absolutely hate playing mainstream to simply settle in for a “starving artist” existence. It’s one in a few million that someone is out there making a nice living while being able to play anything they like in the underground. I don’t even know of any DJs who get this just on DJing alone…pretty much all the success stories are producers.
This is why I tell the guy who “mentored” me on DJing why he should be happier doing his podcast and how he should stop berating the scene because he could not fall into the existence of just showing up to play while others do the work of promoting and pushing events. I tell him he should be happy he doesn’t have to deal with the politics of the scene or the incessant number of trixies who will beg him to play mainstream crap with no wiggle room for anything that isn’t on the radio.
I might berate the club and rave scene a lot, but I honestly feel blessed I have my normal job and thus I can DJ on my own terms. I am more excited about making backtothefront a guest mix for his show than I would be about going to play in some bar, club, or rave where it’s guaranteed the night won’t go well in my eyes.
If one wants to do the “I will never play mainstream or take requests” ideology, then be prepared to play once in a while or here and there, and be prepared to drive long distances to play at underground events for little to no compensation. This is life…and I won’t sit here saying things like “we all got screwed” or something. I used to live by the hate, but realized I was trying to change human nature…so better for me to find what makes me happy in DJing.
Maybe I should write an article on how/why many “I hate mainstream music” DJs should get involved in the rave scene.November 26, 2012 at 8:01 pm #32607Fxn-L
MemberD-Jam, post: 32754, member: 3 wrote: Maybe I should write an article on how/why many “I hate mainstream music” DJs should get involved in the rave scene.
That would be an amazing read.
November 26, 2012 at 9:50 pm #32617aaron altar
ParticipantWould love to read the article. We need a healthy rave scene again.
November 26, 2012 at 11:54 pm #32627Amr
Member+3 on writing that article
November 27, 2012 at 7:38 am #32641Terry_42
KeymasterI would also like to read that article.
November 28, 2012 at 6:42 pm #32774Reason808
ParticipantWow, looks like you did write that article! One person is arguing this point in the comments on my article last week.
But I wonder how much the hypothetical rave scene is really just a romantic illusion? I mean, how often do you find a room full of like-minded souls who share your impeccable taste? And consistently? Seems impossible.
Even when I was doing my underground DJ thing in NYC, I noticed that people responded to more to the micro “hits” of the genre, or songs that reminded them of the first underground raves they went to. In a weird way it was almost like punter’s demanding hits and oldies. At least the “punters” were more chill and I shared their music taste, but the structure was eerily identical.
I agree being a purist involves DJing sporadically or going long distances for little money. But to me that isn’t finding a scene, that’s somebody jumping from one circumstance to another. And getting pissed about it seems really futile, too. People love to think that if everybody in the world was like them, they’d be happy. Yes, if everybody loved artistic music my DJ life would be better. If everybody thought more scientifically, we’d have a more logical world. If everybody went to church on Sunday, they’re would be less sin out there. But that’s not the way the world is.
November 29, 2012 at 4:43 am #32825Richard Driver
Participantthis is all great advice and i agree with most. but for the mean time while you are building up your name and are semi-forced to play mainstream, play some remix version of that familiar tune and/or do your own mash up of it. show your skill on the level of a dj, not the dj who fader jocks left to right, add effects, flare, let the crowd know that you are the center stage, cutting up a track, using an effect sparingly. Be cautious not to over do it. But let’em know that theres a dj up there not a fuckn jukebox. just my 2 cents.
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