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  • #2180181
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Is your logic sound:
    Guess so.

    Will Serato and Traktor Work on Windows Tablet:
    The only Windows Tablet I have tried so far is the Surface Pro 3 and it did run Serato fine. I did not try Traktor.
    The only gripe with me was small screen and only 1 USB port, but that is the same on most tablets I guess.

    Get a cheaper controller?
    Well the S8 is something completely different. I tried it and it was not for me. So hefty price if it does not fit you in the end. So I do not know, you should be sure on what direction and towards what workflow you want to go before deciding for sure.

    #2180381
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Although in general your logic is sound, the only thing I’d like to point out is the importance of picking the right software based on your (expected) workflow. While both will allow you to DJ, they have totally different workflows and – quite frankly – cater to different kinds of DJs.

    And with a choice for Traktor these days pretty much dictating Traktor hardware (that doesn’t really support other software well or the other way around), it’s somewhat of a risk to dive in head-first. Pick wrong and apart from having to do all the prep work on your collection when switching software, you’ll have spent a lot of money on the wrong combo.

    Not saying you shouldn’t pick Traktor, it may very well be the right kind of software for your intended workflow, just that it pays big dividend to do your home work. Your statement that you think they are pretty much able to do the same thing kinda days you haven’t done that yet (or not in-depth at least).

    #2181351
    Simon Zimbler
    Participant

    I think you’re right. I kind of assumed both would have similar workflows:
    * buy music
    * beatgrid music
    * load music to deck
    * play music

    …with hopefully the remaining bells and whistles allowing for/encouraging non-traditional creativity. No?

    Well, I guess I could download and install the two trial versions and have a play, but without hardware, it’s going to be difficult to compare.

    I understand what you’re saying about the hardware being secondary, but software changes too. And an interesting piece of kit can change the way you work by virtue of how it uses the software, surely?

    I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure I’ll still be using whatever I buy in 5-10 years from now. Software can change a lot in that time.

    #2181391
    bob6397
    Participant

    The controllers are often designed for a specific software, and include easy access to or the ability to use the latest features from that software – 2 examples:

    Traktor – their recently released top-end S8 controller makes much use of their remix decks and is fully compatible to use with the new file format they are bringing out which separates out the different parts of a track.

    Serato – newer controllers include support for newer features, such as Serato Flip, which needs certain pads/controls to be able to trigger them

    So whilst what you are saying – you want to be able to keep the hardware you get now for a while – that is possible. But you will eventually lose mappings/support for your controller or they will release a load of new features that you then can’t use but want to.. So you will eventually have to upgrade.

    And, because the software is constantly updating, changing, the controller market too is constantly changing to account for these new features. So, actually, whilst software does change regularly, the controller market is also constantly changing. I know there are differences – namely the cost of upgrading software vs hardware and that it is (arguably) easier to upgrade software then hardware – but that is the state of things at the minute.

    And on the subject of workflow – download the demo’s for both. use your keyboard as a simple controller. Try them, give them both time.. One will click.. the other probably wont. For me, Virtual DJ clicked.. For Terry it was Serato and for Vintage it was Cross.. But that does not mean that all of us are wrong – it means that we are different, DJ in different ways and we are happy to agree to disagree on which one is best – because it is so personal.

    bob6397

    #2181741
    Simon Zimbler
    Participant

    Will do. I’ll give them both a go. Just out of interest, do any of the main players have a way of ‘recording’ sets either as a series of editable midi actions or in some kind of time-line mode (as Mixmeister used to do)?

    #2181991
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Some of the more creative options are significantly different. Traktor’s remix decks and soon to be implemented multi-track (stems) support are way different from Serato’s Flip feature just to name one.

    Also beatgridding on Traktor is rather limited, the software does it gridding and if it gets it wrong you are pretty much done LOL. Seriously, Traktor does not have flexible beatgridding so any track with varying beat (hand-drummed tracks for example) or with beat jumps within a track are not it’s forte (to be mild about it).

    The whole beatgridding thing was one of the reasons for me to move away from Traktor (in my case towards Mixvibes Cross).

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