The 'Sync' button – ADE Conference 2011 Discussion.
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November 7, 2011 at 4:01 pm #9483
Deathray
MemberI’ve been lucky enough to have started out DJing when I was 15 on vinyl and cd’s and over 10 years I have moved to a purely digital setup (Midi Controllers, Traktor/Ableton Live, Apple Mac). I do think that there is no point in living in the past no matter how romantic it may seem to be seen playing nothing but records on the old ones and twos. But we live in an age where labels are investing in selling packets data down a fiber optic tube rather than plastic discs in shops. The grand majority of what I play would never come out on vinyl or cd so for me it makes sense to use a purely digital setup.
I do use the sync button during my sets to make mixing easier and why the hell not? I can beat match using vinyl, cdj’s and my computer but if i have a tool there that i can used to save me time and enable me to mix better, faster and enable me to sound better for my audience it’ll use it. Once I’ve sync don’t just stand around once I’ve got my tracks playing, I am quite happily dropping accapellas, rinsing the effects, looping and jumping from cue to cue in order to make my sets as interesting. I do this because sync enables me to free up my time to be able to do this as well as the rest of the technology that I use. On the flip side to this, there are two many DJ’s out there that quite happily “play a track, hit sync, fade into the next track, repeat”. Yes this is unfortunately what most kids call DJing…. This breaks my heart as at time I feel that what I am doing isn’t a far cry from what they are doing and when I’ve been called out by my peers I find I can only defend myself so far. But at least I know where I came from and I’ve tried it all.
November 7, 2011 at 11:15 pm #9509softcore
MemberThats the downside of digital DJing. No one really can tell if you are the “hit sync, fade in-out, repeat” guy or if you are using loops, samples, hell even synths in your gig. There have been times that my buddy (also into a bit of music making so he knows stuff) says to me “Why the hell do you bother midi mapping all those FX and samlers and synths anyways? Do you think anyone notices? Look at them, throw them the latest banging hip techno track and they ll dance, thats all there is to them”. It takes a knowledgeable audience to hear the difference and its a pitty that us, the people into electronic music and DJing do not take time to educate our audience and we do not try to see the bigger picture – we still believe (or at least thats how we behave) that having an audience of “sheep” is better for us. I dont know what goes on outside of Greece, but at least here this is the main reason the original, underground, partying club scene (which wasnt too big to begin with) is slowly dying – if its not already dead. People are getting tired of being fed “sheep” music, even though they dont know it is such, because no one tought them.
November 8, 2011 at 12:50 am #9512Arbite
Membersoftcore, post: 9505 wrote: I dont know what goes on outside of Greece, but at least here this is the main reason the original, underground, partying club scene (which wasnt too big to begin with) is slowly dying – if its not already dead. People are getting tired of being fed “sheep” music, even though they dont know it is such, because no one tought them.
I think it’s just the opposite. People here in Australia don’t listen to stuff like house, dubstep, etc… Most of my requests are for the latest Gaga/Black Eyed Peas/Flo Rida song (I absolutely refuse to play Dirty Bit these days). They like being fed the same songs over and over again. When I was living in canberra, the club that most people would go to would play exclusively top 40’s from the last 5 or so years. It got to the point that after going there once a week for 2 months or so, I could tell you the exact order of the songs the DJ would play. All of my rage as well when he did one of the DJ name drops AT THE BEGINNING OF EVERY SONG! Yes, I can understand doing it every now and then in your set. BUT MY GOD, I DON’T NEED TO HEAR IT EVERY 5 MINUTES!.
Unfortunately, most of my friends only wanted to listen to this stuff, and I rarely went to the other club, which played more house/trance/dubstep, and the DJ used more controllerism techniques. University students are stingy and couldn’t be bothered paying the $5 cover fee.
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November 8, 2011 at 8:14 am #1002078eros
Member@Deathray I do use the sync button during my sets to make mixing easier and why the hell not? etc
I’m 100% with Deathray on this one. Using SYNC frees you up to be much more creative at transitions. In an earlier forum that was raging about beatmatching and Sync, D-Jam made a very valid point which resonated with me where he said that we are far too obsessed with Beatmatching and where the focus should really be is on “Blending”. Yes it vital to bring the next track in on beat or else it will sound terrible but I think the real skill and talent is in achieving a nice/interesting harmonic blend with the next track. (of course there are exceptions to every rule though … doing a quick drop etc).
November 8, 2011 at 11:07 am #9522U31
MemberIve started to not even bother with Synch to be honest, i’ve mapped a button for each deck to toggle beatlock on and off, 90% of the time they are both on, hit play and the second tune tempo matches and locks the nearest transient automatically – most of the time its perfect especially if i have tapped out or corrected the grids, if not or its a dynamic tune i quickly get it back in synch on the jogs if its out of phase.
Only time i switch these off is if there is a deliberate switch in tempo needed.
Why bother with all this manual beat/ phase matching business?November 8, 2011 at 11:37 am #9524Kranic
MemberAgreeing with all of the above here, and I feel somewhat obligated to illustrate the point by example:
The mix I posted in the mixes section, it was synced 100%; think of it what you will.
As a little challenge, listen to it and keep that in mind…
Then after listening to it, listen to it again, and then remember, it’s nearly all 4-deck.
It’s tracks layered on top of eachother, creating – as pointed out by many – a whole new/different sound.
Try to figure out which tracks are which and then check the original tracks.Why indeed bother with beatmatching? It’s a tool to be used (respectfully) to create a musical experience/journey?
I spend time in advance to make sure the beatgrids are lined up perfectly so instead of having to make sure it’s all in phase/sync I get to focus on what’s really important: MUSIC.
Just my 2 cents.
November 8, 2011 at 11:42 am #9525U31
MemberAs an aside, even tho the tunes are beatlocked, before hitting play on the new tune i still adjust the pitch faders to match bpm’s – just so that if there is some kind of disaster the slider and the software are matched and i can take over without drama.. Belts and braces 😉
November 8, 2011 at 11:47 am #9526Kranic
MemberU31, post: 9521 wrote: As an aside, even tho the tunes are beatlocked, before hitting play on the new tune i still adjust the pitch faders to match bpm’s – just so that if there is some kind of disaster the slider and the software are matched and i can take over without drama.. Belts and braces 😉
Good point, I personally also like to check the track on cue against the other tracks, because harmonics get really tricky with more decks running at the same time!
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