The 'Sync' button – ADE Conference 2011 Discussion.

DJ Hessler, post: 9339 wrote: *Lol* I knew you would be upset by my statment.
That is why I waited this long to post it.

But my true oppinion on this matter stays unchanged.
If you are a pro DJ you should play wirth pro gear IMO!
A carpenter does not use 3rd quality cheep stuff at least not here, so why should a DJ
be satisfied with that?

I have tried those cheap controllers and it took me abut 10 sek to bash them all.
They have 2nd or 3rd quality buttons and hardware. It feels and looks like a toy!
Try setting a Denon or Pio product beside one of them and feel all the buttons and knobs
then you know what I mean.

That is why I waited till the Denon MC6000 before I even thoght about digital DJ’ing
It is the first controller worth paying for IMO.

I know that there is some of you that does think different but it will not change my oppinion.

I have been a DJ since 1980 and has always played on top quality gear on giggs.
//DJ Hessler

ive always used pcs and had NO PROBLEMS. its just in how you use what you got. right now my “weapons of choice” are the vms4 and a vestax typhoon(yes a typhoon) and i play some of the biggest spots in my state and in other states as well. im original from new york and been djing since 85 and im from the era where you just made due,hell we had to kick open the streetlamps to get electricity!! and im in no way trying to slight you when i say this,cause if youve been doing this since 80 you must be an amazing dj,but the fact that “youve ALWAYS played on top quality gear” kind of disturbs me, cause i feel you missed one of the most important parts of progression as a dj working your way up from the crappy beltdrives having to hardwire your own amps,shooting the wd40 on your fader all the crap made me a better dj and i wouldnt take it back for the world. i call it the basketball syndrome i found that as a kid,the kid that came to the basketball court with the brand new nike gear and the freshest sneakers brand new without a skuff on them wound up being the WORST players,cause they worried more about looking good than actually playing well. but i do see your point and respect your oppinion. i just get tired of these kids with “all the latest gear” and they SUCK!! have the latest and greatest dosent make you a great dj,it just makes you a sucky dj with all the latest gear lol

im from the era where you just made due, hell we had to kick open the streetlamps to get electricity

You are really from Blackburn, aint ya 😛 It was exactly the same there too, back in the day
A bit of history of the UK scene here…
http://www.highonhope.com/

Quote : “As Iceman said, choose your weapons; and in my opinion, if you have the basics down, you can do it on any equipment and still make it sound good.”

IMO that is not true at all. There is a very big difference in how it sounds in different eqipment.
The built in soundcard in controllers differs a lot and how computers handles different soundfiles and how fast
differes. (another reason to keep to Mac, it just sounds better than PC in my ears it does anyway)

Also I can not do as good job on broken equipment or equipment that somehow does not have the options that i’m used to use. If I’m not having fun playing my ordience will notice and that is a no no for me.
I have a hard time adjusting to my MC-6000 because it does not have rotating platters like my S3700’s for example.
But the MC6000 is just to be used where there is not space for the S3700’s and they have broken Pio 3000’s or American Audio CD’s (They never work good even out of the box in my experience)
I have comed across that in 3 places and I said no thank you to those giggs.

Last but not least I started in 1980 with belt drive used Technics home hifi TTS and a home built mixer that needed a lot of 5-56 :)But I never did a gig with that crap!:eek:

//DJ Hessler

I was thinking about this, and something almost floated back to the front of my memory.
Its a memory of a film and its very hazy so bear with me

There is a film about a man who played a string instrument, a poor man, the instrument has only 2 or so strings, has only ever had these 2 or so strings while in his possession, and people walking by listen to the most beautiful music imaginable coming from this man and his instrument and say imagine if he had all the strings.
The point of the film was that this guy was more then grateful for the 2 strings he did have.
Its not about wishing about what you should have, its about making the most about what you do have

softcore, post: 9380 wrote: I know I said I wouldnt comment anymore…but……”Macs sound better than PCs”???????????????

This is getting ridicilous!!!!! Your statement is biased, not based on logic and defies computing logic as the world knows it. I would go far enough to say that your posting shows troll-ish behaviour.

BTW I noticed you havent provided any links to your superior Mac sounding DJ sets – all I see is links to Denon and Apple. Are you an advertiser of those companies?

*lol* You are in fact a funny guy:) but I will try to explain to you:

I wrote ” (another reason to keep to Mac, it just sounds better than PC in my ears it does anyway)”

I do have a PC at home and I have had 8 of them at the same time I have had Macs.
My ears tells me that Mac sounds better and as I wrote it is based on my hearing
you shoul be able to read that IMO!!!

I am absoluteley not working for eather Mac or Denon I am just a hugh fan of both those brands and their superior products!

//DJ Hessler

DJ Hessler, post: 9395 wrote: *lol* You are in fact a funny guy:) but I will try to explain to you:
I wrote ” (another reason to keep to Mac, it just sounds better than PC in my ears it does anyway)”

What is funny is the fact that you think we should believe your ears, or indeed the notion that your ears tell you the truth. Ever heard of the placebo-effect ? Based on your ears to judge the quality of sound is like trying to guess the temperature of water by diving your hands in it (have you ever dived one hand in a cold bucket, the other in hot, and then both in the same? What do your hands tell you then?) I bet if I simply EQed a track with a +3 db boost in 18-19khz you’d tell me that now its quality is better. But is it quality or just a simple 3db 19khz boost?
Additionally please note that I never gave any characterisation to you personally (I called the statements, yes, ridicilous, but not you personally) – instead you turned this into a personal attack by calling me “funny”. Furthermore, I will clearly state that I believe you are not in position to explain to me anything music software-hardware related because simply you lack the knowledge to.You need years of studying and a bit more thinking before understanding how these things work, let alone explain to somebody else. I had convos like this when production techniques shifted from analogue to digital years before and those people have stopped the uneducated ranting, you my friend are a typical case I have met too often.

Perhaps it was guys like you that had made me think so little of Macs – thank God I have also met some very educated guys who do indeed use Macs and they gave me the proper reasoning behind the choice, or I would be inclined to think that Macs are for the computer-illiterate.
You keep mentioning that you compare your 8 PCs with your Macs. By your definition, the Mac is a pro machine but this begs the question: did you buy a PC spec’d for music stuff or did you just buy a PC off those gamers-selling PC makers? Macs are machines of a closed archietecture (more or less) meaning that each component has been tried and tested to work as intended and be compatible with the rest of the parts in the machine. Did you ever stop to think that PERHAPS your PCs do not work as expected because their parts were collected and assembled by a crappy salesman who doesnt know jack about high-performance PCs? Did you ever try a PC bought from a store specialised in assembling PCs for the musician? Grabbing a PC sold from a shop for kids who just visit facebook or play Warcraft isnt exactly a fair judgement and cannot be compared with a well spec’d, well thought out PC assembled by a guy who knows his job and more importantly, knows the targeted usage.

DJ Hessler, post: 9395 wrote:
I am absoluteley not working for eather Mac or Denon I am just a hugh fan of both those brands and their superior products!

It’s also very funny your choice of answering only those questions that suit your close-mindedness. You accused me of not being able to read your posts, so I will repeat the question you werent able to answer to me…Are there any links where I could listen to your superior-sounding DJ sets? Perhaps there is something we could all learn from you.

I am sorry but you are one of the guys I believe harm the DJ community more than any kiddo with crappy controllers and 128kbps mp3s could ever harm. Frankly? You prove my points in this very topic in my first post. Uneducated, close-minded and a marketing-strategies victim. My condolences!

any way we just went WAAAYYY off topic lol

Arbite, post: 9417 wrote: I doubt this. Purely because when you plug a controller in (assuming it’s USB), the sound that the computer sends it is digital. As in 1’s and 0’s. The controller then converts this into an analogue signal. Noise/humming is not an issue with digital signals.

Yes true, but the computer and the controller need to work together in sync and the computer sometimes sends additional 1 and 0s or does not send all of the 1 and 0s. Also it does it too slow or too fast.

In my case I got heavy static as soon as the computer had to read from the Harddrive and I insure you it is interely true.

//DJ Hessler