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  • #2192321
    DJ Vintage
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    Well, trusting your ears is important of course. So good start there.

    The thing is that DJs are abusing studio monitors for DJ mixing practice, where they are really made for (what’s in a name) studio work, including mixdowns, mastering and producing. The two are, imho, mutually exclusive in that the flat and somewhat tiring frequency response needed for studio work, playing music at low volumes is totally different from the more PA feel at higher volumes you want to practice DJ-ing.

    Having said that, the KRK isn’t 100% flat, but close enough to be very useful for studio work while at the same time being a bit more forgiving when played louder for practice purposes. However, the 5s (which I have 2nd gen) are a tad light on the bass end. So unless you are considering a subwoofer with them (not likely on your budget), I’d try to go for the 6s. The Presonus I think is truly geared towards studio use, the Pioneer probably a bit more towards DJ/Producer use. So I’d probably end up chosing between the Pioneer and the KRK (6s).

    But again, trust your ears.

    #2192401
    Kritical Sound
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    Hey Vintage,

    Surprised but I went to have a listen at my local store and the Mackies and JBL’s immediately caught my attention and were music to my ears (literally!). Mackie MR5MK3 and the JBL LSR305. Any thoughts and opinions on those monitors?

    #2192491
    DJ Vintage
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    I am a Mackie fan and have fallen out of love with JBL a few years ago (loved them back in the day, but their later stuff I wasn’t too impressed with). I haven’t heard either, well the Mackies briefly at the show, but that doesn’t qualify, so can’t give an unbiased and informed desicion.

    I’ll stand by my 6″ over 5″ advice though. Bass response is really noticeably better on 6s compared to 5s. My next set will be 6s for sure (moving up to VXT-series as well).

    #2193861
    Todd Oddity
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    I went through this exact exercise last year – looked at all of the models you mentioned and quite a few others. Ended up with the JBLs. Excellent accuracy (slightly favours the warm end of the spectrum in my space), but a larger sweet spot than typical monitors, making them good for running in the background when I’m working on other projects.

    The thing about monitors is a lot of it will be personal taste, so keep on listening to the different models. Pick a song you know well and listen to the same part on all the options and you’ll quickly start to notice differences. Turn the sound off and listen for any hum (Tannoys are notorious for this).

    Remember – if you are happy with what you select, then you chose right! With monitors there is no “wrong” choice.

    #2194081
    Kritical Sound
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    Thanks Todd and Vintage,

    I actually ended up ordering the JBLs and they should be coming in, in of couple days. I actually have a question. This is my first time working with active monitors and I’m wondering how to connect my mixtrack quad to the two monitors. The mixtrack quad has one set of RCA outs and I’m confused on how to hook it up to the monitors. What wires are needed? The Mixtrack Quad has a built in soundcard, I saw that the JBL’s have a trs and xlr outs, which cables do I use to hook it up from rca to trs or
    Xlr.

    Thanks,
    Kritical Sound

    #2194091
    Todd Oddity
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    RCA is an unbalanced output, so the cable you would need would be RCA (male) to 1/4″ mono (male). If you can’t find the cable, there are also RCA to 1/4″ adaptors that just plug into one end of an RCA cable.

    #2194101
    DJ Vintage
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    Well, the JBLs hopefully have TRS and XLR INputs, not OUTs 😀

    Ok. Here goes.

    Easiest thing to do is to get a decent RCA cable, don’t go cheap on this. The thing to watch for is that you can “split” one end. Some cables have an extra block of plastic cast a couple of inches from the end to prevent the cable from splitting accidentally. This is normally a good feature, but in this case you want one end to split. After all you are going from two RCA close together (Mixtrack outputs) to one speaker on each side. As for length, measure the distance from Mixtrack to speaker and then get a cable that is slightly longer. Don’t get it much longer as extra length means extra risk of getting unwanted sounds (like humm).

    Monitor speakers should be positioned in an equilateral triangle (all legs of the triangle same length) with your head being the front corner of the triangle and the monitors on the back corners. They should be a bit above your ear level with the high end driver pointed slightly downward, directed at your ear. Use some kind of acoustic dampening pad (Auralex) between the stands/shelves and the speakers. The pads come with a slope, so they automatically sit facing downward a bit. Brilliant!

    THIS is an example of what you DON’T want!

    There is also really no need to go for gold-plated monster cable, imho. But get something like THIS. It has relatively thick cable and solid connectors. In fact, I find for RCA those cast-on plastic connectors are sturdier than the metal ones, because of the resistance to pulling the cable out from the connector (near impossible on the plastic ones, pretty common on metals). Then again, I look at things with an eye on playing out, live gigs, but for a one-time install-and-forget in a home practice room, this is less of an issue. In which case I’d still say go for the plastic ones from a cost perspective.

    Next you need two of THESE. Pretty clear what these do, right? You stick one on each (split) end of the RCA cable and run it into the jack input of your JBLs.

    Final things to watch. There are both a low and high filter switch on the monitors. My advice is to start with both at zero and once you are used to the sound in neutral, to play around with it (by trying to change ONE setting at the time) to find which setting(s) work best for you. Also there is a switch marked input sensitivity, this is used to tell the monitor how “hot” your incoming signal is. Balanced outputs (XLR/Jack) usually run at +4dB. Unbalanced (RCA) usually at -10dB. And those are the exact two option for the sensitivy switch. So setting it to -10dB should work. If you find that they are very loud, you can always set them to +4dB, some DJ controllers do push their RCA outputs above the official limit.

    There is a very slight chance you might still pick up unwanted sounds, you are running unbalanced cable, but if you keep it under 6-8 feet you should be ok. There are solutions (which you might want to invest in by the time you start playing out), but come back to us with that question if you either get unwanted sound or are ready to play out.

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