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  • #2066741
    deathy
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    You really don’t need much these days… even the LDP8 is probably more than you’ll need for production – though it will be nice, don’t get me wrong.

    If you’re planning to make electronic music, and you intend to use a VST capable DAW, then the Massive plug-in from NI is likely to be your go-to tone generator… and if you don’t intend to use a VST capable DAW, then rethink your plan. 😉

    You might want to sign up for the free Coursera “Introduction to Music Production.” It looks potentially pretty good. I’m a bit beyond Intro level, but I’ve signed up for it anyway just because there’s always more to learn.

    #2066742
    Flynn Shaw
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    Right, so I was thinking of getting a midi keyboard, as that compliments my skills pretty well. If I were to buy the LPD8 and said keyboard, would that be overkill? Also, would I couple Massive with something like Ableton? I know next to nothing about this I’m afraid, so any help is greatly appreciated

    Cheers

    #2066761
    deathy
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    I definitely recommend the keyboard, even without a strong keyboard playing skill, it will make note creation much easier for you. The LPD8 will make a lot of your work easier, and it’s a very decent price, so it won’t hurt, just is not absolutely necessary.

    Yeah, Massive is just a VST instrument, a very good one – it will take some time to learn how to make your own good patches with it, but it will be time well spent, and the built in sounds will also keep you happy to start with.

    Ableton is one DAW that would support Massive, yeah… the list of DAWs is very very long. I personally use Ableton, but I’ve got my eye on Bitwig as a possible change in the future.

    Fruity Loops is also really popular, as is Logic Pro if you’re on a Mac. If you’re an old school computer music geek that’s made MODs or other tracker like formats, there’s also Renoise, although I would only recommend it if you really want a tracker interface, as it is rather fiddly for doing things if you are not already familiar with that workflow – it’s not worth the trouble if you don’t already know it, as you can get the same results from a lot of other DAWs.

    #2066771

    If you’re looking for an AKAI LPD8 AND a MIDI controller, then why not buy the MPK Mini? It’s the LPD8 + 25 mini keys, and it will get your job done!

    Ableton, Logic, SONAR and Bitwig Studio are all DAWs which help in arranging your music and to tweak it with effects. You can download demos for most of them online, So try them out and see which one’ interface you love. In case you are on an extreme budget or just don’t wanna spend money on a DAW, check out REAPER, it’s a great free DAW which will cater to all your basic needs.

    For synths, like Massive and Sylenth1, they create sounds based on your MIDI notes. Synths do take some time to get used to and if you’re new to this I recommend using TAL-Elek7ro and TAL-NoiseMaker. They are both great sounding FREE synths which have all the basics on them. Spend time on these and learn all the features and only then move to the paid ones.

    Another thing that you might want to look at are the effects. They help you to shape and enhance (or de-enhance) your sounds that you created with your synths (like delay, reverb, EQs, filters, etc). There are plenty of good FREE ones online.

    IMHO, you don’t have to spend even a penny on software when you’re starting out. First take your time and learn all you can and only then move on. Just my 2 cents. Hope I helped!
    -Cheeku

    #2066862
    Flynn Shaw
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    Thanks for all the help guys, you da real MVPs,just one more thing, where would the best place to try out my music on people be, other than my friends, and also, I have no real producers/DJs in my town, so what would be the best way to get advice on all things DJing and production?

    Thanks again

    #2066871
    deathy
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    That can be a bit tricky… you will get some responses from forums, but a lot of times, tracks and mixes don’t get a whole lot of comments on them. That’s not to say you shouldn’t, but be prepared to get limited responses.

    For comments on original productions, it seems like DJTT generates more responses than here, but even so, it’s usually just a couple of people responding.

    I honestly tend to tap my friends who are also producers for input on my work, and even there, I have to tap them individually to get much response – if I post about it to, say, the mailing list I’m on with several other guys in my demogroup, I rarely get much response, but if I IM them individually and ask them to give me constructive criticism, they’re more willing.

    I think the problem is that many of us are a little nervous about giving constructive criticism because of hurt feelings and so forth, even when we know the person wants it and can handle it.

    I would offer my assistance in checking out your tracks, but I’m actually not very good at constructive criticism on music because I oftentimes can’t give specifics very well… I can say “I dug it” or “I didn’t care for it,” but I am usually no good at “too much bass here, punch that up, tweak this or that” type responses.

    #2066882
    Flynn Shaw
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    Look man any constructive criticism is helpful in my eyes, no matter how limited it is, an I really don’t know any producers, so if you were ok I could bounce some of my stuff off of you? It wouldn’t be for a few weeks at least, but it’d be good to have that available? Only if it suits you of course

    #2066921

    Steps to follow:

    Step 1: Make a SoundCloud account
    Step 2: Post your music there
    Step 3: Look for people with similar fan/friend count as you on SoundCloud.
    Step 4: Comment on their tracks, they’ll also take time to check yours.
    Step 5: Share it with us (Here in the Music and Mixes forum)
    Step 6: Look for a production forum, and share your music there.

    Many people will be willing to rate your work. At least, this worked for me. Make social media accounts and share your tracks there too.

    Hope I helped
    -Cheeku

    #2066931
    deathy
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    As I said, in my case, I am not very good at constructive criticism because I am not good at understanding myself why I don’t care for something. It’s slightly easier with my own tracks only because I have spent a lot more time with them.

    That said, I will be happy to do what I can, but it is rare for me to be able to actually identify what could be improved.

    As Cheeku said, Soundcloud is your first point of contact, though… that’s the best way to distribute the tracks you want input on.

    #2066932
    Flynn Shaw
    Participant

    Alright thanks for all your help, both of you it’s been very helpful. I’ll be sure to follow up on all this! Thanks again

    #2068042
    Isaiah Furrow
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    Thanks to whoever mentioned Reaper above, I’d read about that somewhere recently but didn’t know it was a free DAW. So far I’ve played a little with Maschine 2.0 and Audacity. I’m not looking to spend a fortune but would totally try something else that was reasonable. Have toyed with the idea of trying Studio One artist, but will play with Audacity, Reaper, and likely look into other free programs first.

    I’ve been looking into stuff more, as I have a friend that I’m going to ask to collaborate with me, and he plays keys. I don’t play keys at all so I ended up picking up Maschine Mikro. But my buddy doesn’t have a lot of cash and I’m hoping to talk him into picking up something so we can work together, even if I have to help fund it partially.

    Things I’m looking into, for us, and would be on my list if I played keys at all…….
    MPK Mini Mk2 at $99
    MPK25 at $199
    APC Key25 looks cool at $129

    My buddy said 25 keys isn’t enough, 49 would do though… his keyboard/synth thing(Yamaha) is the size up from 49, sixty something. I’d think 49 would be a happy medium as far as size, price, and usability.

    With that said, I’m going to look into the Novation Launchkey 49, at $199 it looks to be cool. I’m gong to look into the software that comes with each of these as well. The Launchkey has a 25 key at $149 and a MINI at $99. I would guess that all of these would be good options unless there’s a reason you wanted the pads on a separate controller than the keys.

    I play some simple percussion but no other instruments. That is part of why I chose the Mikro. Also, it’s SMALL….
    Just my thoughts, hope it was somewhat helpful…. now to read the above comments again to see if I can snag a nugget or two besides putting Reaper on my list of stuff to check out…. Keep us posted, and best of luck…

    #2068092
    Flynn Shaw
    Participant

    I agree with what your friend says about the keys, 25 keys is a bit annoying, but since most MIDI keyboards I have looked at have multiple octaves available, at the moment I can’t justify the extra price 🙁 A mate of mine who works in my local DJ store has suggested the Arturia Minilab, not necessarily over the MPK Mini but as a definite alternative as it comes with more sounds than the MPK Mini. The MPK25 looks really strong, is it worth the considerably larger sum of money compared to the MPK Mini and the Minilab?

    Thanks one again for all the feedback, and good luck with your collaborations mate!

    #2068101

    @Flynn: Arturia Minilab and MPK Mini are both pretty durable. I would choose the MiniLab because it has touch-strips for pitch bend and modulation. MiniLab comes with a huge software bundle too. The knobs on the MPK Mini have a limited range. They are not endless, like the ones on MiniLab. For some reason I don’t like endless rotary encoders.

    Another thing to point out is that if you’re producing electronic music, I doubt you’ll do much more than play simple chords and single octave melodies with the keyboard. So, I guess 25 keys is fine, 49 keys is great and 61 keys is overkill. Just my opinion. 🙂

    @Santa Creek Furrows: You’re welcome, but know this: REAPER is not free. I repeat: REAPER is NOT free. I started with REAPER a couple of years back and I loved it. The point is that REAPER gives you a fully functional trial version with no snags, no “saving-disabled” and NO time limitations. It says that you can try it only for 60-days but my trial version continued to work even when the 60-days ended. 🙂 I looked it up the REAPER forums and found out that the trial version will never end!! And it’s fully functional!! So, I read REAPER’s license agreement and found out that it doesn’t stop you from making commercial tracks with the trial version.

    So, in theory, REAPER is free. [But it’s 60USD if you wanna buy it] 🙂 My “trial-version” of REAPER is still working fine but I’ve switched to Ableton now (My uncle had a copy of Ableton lying unused and I loved the way that it works) 🙂

    Hope I helped,
    Cheeku

    #2068891
    Lamid45G
    Participant

    @flynn: if you really really new in electronic production department, my suggestion is start small first, the easier route is try to make a mash-up first, to get you comfortable with it, with mash-up you dont really need a specific DAW or hardware, a copy of Virtual DJ home edition can do the trick, or you can purchased the Mash up software from the Mixed in Key dudes.

    And the best place, imo, to try out yur new stuff is to handed it out to your local DJ, and test it on the real ground (aka club and such) and to test people responds.

    I did it with mine, and the result was… horrible LOL, the beats is so out of snych with each other, the grooves is misplaced, the crowds kind of looked each other like wtf ??? the bars count is way too odd so its hard for the DJ to mixed it in, and the bass line, err well there is no bass at all, i guess i picked up the wrong bass lol but ya know it served its purpose you know which worked which it dont worked lol

    #2069012
    Flynn Shaw
    Participant

    Brave move there mate hahahahaha Nah I have been making some mashups using traktor and my S2, had some pretty good responses from my mates and stuff, and I don’t know if I’ve mentioned this in this thread, but the only local DJ I know wears and purple suit, dreds and is over 50. Not saying anything against him, but he is much more of an entertainer than an out and out DJ, he’s told me himself that he knows how to beatmatch and that’s it

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