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June 26, 2016 at 4:52 pm #2412411
DJ Vintage
ModeratorThe challenge here is that you want to be a (narrow/niche?) genre DJ here. Yet, you don’t have a reputation that will make people recognize your name and say “hey, Rob is playing, I want to go there”.
And with the totally immense offering out there, people can choose from very many options to go and spend their time and money.
My personal opinion is that in this day and age your audience comes and finds you and not the other way around, that is if you want to be very genre specific or even niche. If you don’t have a niche or a very clear signature, then you will be one of a thousand and getting that gathering happening will be even more difficult.
So, the chance of having your dream scenario happen by throwing your money at organizing your own night, imho, would be rather minimal. Even with promo, promo, promo.
You’d have to set up a night with a scope that is broad enough to encompass your genre/style but also to be able to find one or two (local) name DJs that will bring in the crowd. You can then program your own set at a good spot around those guys. It would hopefully make you some money, so you can rinse/repeat. Make sure you make the most out of social networking and the collaboration with the name DJs. You might even get asked to come play at some other gigs where the name guys play. But more importantly, your target audience comes to see someone else, but get to see you too.
Like with any performing artist, it’s a lot of work, lots of empty venues and sheer perseverance. And having a bit of luck being picked up by the right “leaders” in your target audience will help too.
I realize this isn’t much help, but I don’t think there is a cut and dried “template” to get where you want to be. Too many variables there. If it were as easy as a mathematical equation or cook book recipe, more people would be (successfully) doing it.
June 26, 2016 at 8:30 pm #2412431Rob S
ParticipantGood advice, thanks. I’m “lucky” in that I’m handy with the computer and can knock out websites and graphics easily. I think the key really is to take a chance and keep trying and be prepared to fail?
You’d have to set up a night with a scope that is broad enough to encompass your genre/style but also to be able to find one or two (local) name DJs that will bring in the crowd.
One idea I did have was to start the night with a DJ competition of sorts, where 3-5 local DJs get an hour each perhaps, something like that. Then it is in their interest to bring lots of friends, who hopefully are having such a good time they hang around until the early hours listening to me…
Food for thought, and ultimately if it’s something I want to do I’m going to have to try it!
June 27, 2016 at 12:44 am #2412511Dj vitico BL
Participantmaybe Im wrong but I understand what you say to mean you are trying to make your night succesful for fame (have a sizable audience and following while you play your great music) rather than fortune (tons of ticket sales and drink sales commission) … In this case you should try to figure out how to make things free in order to attract a crowd, you can contact someone from any alcohol or soft drink company and ask them to sponsor your night meaning they give you x amount of free cases of their beverage for your night and you put their brand name on your flyers so its a kind of free advertising / marketing for them and also attracts people to come party with you win/win If your night is free entrance and free drinks or free anything it will be easy to get a big crowd, Your bringing more djs idea is cool but the truth is most people that go to the clubs arent that cooncerned with the music unless its really bad Anyone who just really wants to hear great music has the internet and radio to fulfill that so do try to fulfill what bar goers want apart from music, see lots of pretty people , free drinks, etc.
June 27, 2016 at 6:42 am #2412531DJ Vintage
ModeratorUnfortunately beer/drink companies will PAY to be sold at your event … IF you are a big event. If you are small and unknown the chances of getting any kind of sponsoring is minimal. Not saying you shouldn’t try, just that getting sponsoring in this day and age for a new and/or unknown event is gonna be tough.
June 27, 2016 at 12:52 pm #241261165emkay
ParticipantI’m dropping these lines to share the strategy which brought me to events acting as principal DJ; just looked for events presenting a genre within my comfort zone, contacted the administrators, PRs or owners and offered them a pre event live show instead of some CDs played, often not bringing the hoped for warm up, with the bonus of being free and not affecting the tech set up for the main event, know what? They accepted, some colleagues had arguments with me, but if the owner of the place gave the ok and you prove to be a good opener, it can only get better, it got better for me! Even the closing of an event can expose you positively, I was booked from Monday till Thursday for five years in Germany ( not for free anymore…) being very niche with my ’70s fusion, funk and soul through this approach, which is now working again with my very niche nu jazz and own productions here in Lima Perú ( tough ground… ), hope this can open new perspectives Rob, in the meantime wish you Good Luck, ciao!
June 27, 2016 at 7:25 pm #2412761Rob S
Participant^ nice!
I will give that a go as well. I suspected most people get bombarded with people nagging them to DJ but always worth a go.
June 28, 2016 at 12:03 am #2412771DJ Vintage
ModeratorYeah, I am no big advocate of doing anything for “free”, but that is a personal choice of course.
June 28, 2016 at 1:38 am #241278165emkay
ParticipantOk, let me put it this way: a pro DJ is basically a one man enterprise, and as such one has to invest sometime, somewhere, somehow into self promotion and given the fact I don’t dispose of a location equipped with light, sound, dance floor, personnel a.s.o.a.s.f. I swap my service for an existing structure and succeed in showing my abilities it’s a gathering of forces, a one time action; if such action raises interest, well I will get payed like before in Germany at an average of 1200 Euros weekly serving music for Toshiba, Robert Mondavi, Siemens or even during Jazz live concerts in Köln & Düsseldorf, from ’99 till late ’04. To get these bookings I had to prove the being somebody named nobody, it was the best strategy which occurred to me, and “for free” might not have been the most appropriate definition, mind me: sono un italiano vero, thanks for your attention stay happiest!!!
June 28, 2016 at 1:58 am #241279165emkay
ParticipantP.S.: it’s important to have a commercial status for V.A.T., I.G.V., Mw.St. bills, otherwise it becomes difficult to be taken seriously as a pro, and a self promo shouldn’t offer the features of a payed session, of course…Better stop, many things are to be considered, it’ll come with experience, Rob, just do your thing, choose wisely your steps, first impressions and stuff, Good Luck & inspiration!
June 28, 2016 at 2:02 am #2412801DJ Vintage
ModeratorI understood what you did and it is great it worked for you. My remark was a more general one as we have (had) many discussions here about people going to bars/pubs/venues and offering to play for free, which usually leads to no paid follow-up gigs in those cases. Sorry for the confusion.
June 28, 2016 at 7:40 am #241283165emkay
ParticipantHonestly, my choice of words can indeed lead to confusion too and those free sessions are in fact a problem, ruining prices, implanting bad habits becoming a default procedure, remaining a sensitive point for many: my advice to those unsure of their art is to stay away from a market we are trying to keep at a certain level and a quality generating expenses to be absorbed partly through the adequate billing; jobs went sour because of certain “originals” and it’s not right to ignore driving distances, variable price calculations considering time factor, specific client preferences and so on; just because we love music and it’s fun we will be paid a misery?
June 30, 2016 at 4:54 pm #2414101Alex Moschopoulos
ParticipantThe main take-home points I’ve got from running a couple of my own nights
- Friends are unbelievably and unfathomably unreliable. Even the diehard ravers. Expect 50% of promises to be delivered.
- DJ friends want to play, play, play, but aren’t remotely interested in the graft/risk required to host the night in the first place
- Most venues have a preconceived “theme” or expectation in the mind of locals and that absolutely determines whether they will come or not, regardless of the fact that what you’re doing is nothing like the normal.
- Attracting women is key
Welcome to the world I knew…and why I wrote many articles on the topic. 😉
I went through the same experiences when I promoted, and it taught me much.
How do I find my target audience and persuade them I’m worth listening to? How can I turn my one, true passion in life into a regular thing? I’m not even bothered about the money or making a career of it (as nice as that would be), I just want to DJ because I absolutely love it!
Here’s the thing, despite what you’re saying, you’re still pushing events mainly to have somewhere to play. You have to think about it all from the patron’s eyes. Some average Joe or Jane who listens to pop music wants to go out and have fun, and there you are playing your style of music that might not mesh with that…thus they leave and roll over to the packed venue where DJ Jukebox is playing the hits like a robot.
In my experiences, gaining a local following comes more from a few factors:
- Being active in your scene…meaning you’re out at events, supporting, networking, and not just being a DJ showing up with demos, but leaving immediately after giving said demo.
- Making consistent mixes, podcasts, blogs, and/or music production. The local success stories were consistently making “content” and sharing it, gaining followers from it. It doesn’t come quickly by the way.
- Aligning with local promoters and joining their teams. Work your way up until they’re pushing you. Usually they might make you an opener and you work your way up.
- Playing to your local scene…meaning you’re playing music they can get into, and cleverly slipping in stuff you believe in. You think Danny Teneglia went and played 12=hour sets from the get-go? He too must have had to play small sets and work his way up.
My suggestion is to consider production, or get into podcasting, or something where you’ll consistently make new content and post it online. Learn how to utilize Social Media the right way, and thus slowly gain people to lock on to your sound…rather than you begging people to like you. Eventually when you can get 50 people out to hear you, promoter will notice.
Again…it doesn’t come quickly. You have to have a strong skin, stay positive, and persevere. I always bring up Dani Deahl as an example. Back in 2003 I remember she was only playing some local spots to near-empty rooms. Thirteen years later and she’s writing for DJ Mag, producing, promoting, and playing larger events…including big festivals. Bear in mind she had to be persistent and ambitious…and plan/book her own tour (because the labels wouldn’t support/help her).
July 4, 2016 at 9:34 pm #2415331Rob S
ParticipantMy suggestion is to consider production, or get into podcasting, or something where you’ll consistently make new content and post it online. Learn how to utilize Social Media the right way, and thus slowly gain people to lock on to your sound…rather than you begging people to like you. Eventually when you can get 50 people out to hear you, promoter will notice.
Already doing that 🙂 I do a monthly mix on Soundcloud/Mixcloud, and I’m learning to produce. I have Twitter/Facebook accounts, a website, all the basic foundations, albeit I don’t quite have the self-promotion down great yet (I’m a big believer in that constantly barraging people with nonsense just for presence actually works against you a bit. I know I simply disregard so much on Facebook because it’s constant, whereas artists who post sporadically I find I’m more interest in as it isn’t so diluted).
July 4, 2016 at 9:37 pm #2415341Rob S
ParticipantI’ve also got a few feelers out. A colleague used to DJ on a pirate radio station back in the day which has since become a legitimate one and is putting me in touch to do a weekly, weekend show on that. I’m meeting with a couple of venues in Islington next week with a view to throwing my own night. My biggest regret is not getting into producing years ago. I tried and found it overwhelming but I gave it a more concerted go the back end of last year and finally starting to understand the work involved. I’ve got a couple of mentors, albeit not local nor into the same genre, but very handy for their technical expertise.
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