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  • August 23, 2015 at 5:40 pm #2244191
    Ronnie EmJay
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    I like the sentiment but Soundcloud should not be the target. They are not doing anything they want to do, but what they have to do… Why? Big labels and their lawyers. Take this out of the equation and Soundcloud would not have changed. Soundcloud could listen to you and persist with their previous model and then get sued into oblivion and shut down. The current model appears to be the only way for them to survive.

    Basically, if you want to make mixes with copyrighted music that you don’t own the rights to, post them on Mixcloud, that’s what it’s there for, and where they are legal. Soundcloud is now for original music. Mixes going off from Soundcloud is no loss to me, I like having a tracklist (like Mixcloud) and discovering new artists and being able to buy their music, no such luck on SC where there is no compunction to have a tracklist. (If you have lots of old mixes with lots of listens, AT LEAST remove the free download button – this is a big key to why mixes are being kicked off SC!)

    What WILL be a loss will be unofficial bootleg remixes and mashups… sometimes these are better than the original! Obviously for legal reasons these can’t be sold but a free download on Soundcloud was always great.

    August 24, 2015 at 8:52 am #2244441
    Volker Kopetzky
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    I agree with you that SoundCloud does what it has to do. Also regarding mixes on SouncCloud. (I publish on mixcloud since last year).

    Yet I do not agree that this is the only way for soundcloud.

    Instead, I do believe that this is a chance to create something new, a.k.a. no-one believes it’s possible until it’s there. In the sixties, all tech on Star Trek was impossible and look where we are today. The same mechanism can be observed for societies and communities. Ask your grandparents what a city was 60 years ago and what it is today.

    The basic idea is to actually take out the big labels and lawyers from the equation. Won’t happen if no-one tries….

    August 24, 2015 at 11:53 am #2244491
    Ronnie EmJay
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    How?
    Any suggestions in case anyone from Soundcloud is reading?

    August 25, 2015 at 9:27 am #2244681
    Volker Kopetzky
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    This just came in: some out-of-ye-olde-business-box options for artists: http://blog.landr.com/dont-need-record-label/

    Although I don’t agree with everyhting landr writes, it shows some options outside the big-business ecosystem.

    August 27, 2015 at 4:45 am #2245451
    Ronnie EmJay
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    This would require all existing artists to buy up full rights to their back catalogue and give permission freely…. the labels won’t give up this cash cow cheaply. The only solution I see is not to use their material on Soundcloud. Let the, see if a lack of exposure really hurts sales or not.

    August 27, 2015 at 7:23 am #2245511
    Volker Kopetzky
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    Yes, and that’s their biggest and the only leverage they have.
    If new artists go different ways, and more and more of new music is supporting artist lives in a different — and hopefully better — ways, this cash cow could starve quite fast.

    One question to see the potential of new music could be:
    How much new music came out and what is its listening time compared to older music?
    E.g. how many songs published in 2015 were played compared to songs before 2015? For 2014? For 2000?

    If we stick to the rules made buy other we’re playing their game. If we don’t like it, we can come up with a new game, that ‘they’ are not playing.

    Yet, this is – again – just one idea/concept by one person.
    I’d prefer something even more drastic/disruptive. What about ditching this ‘us’ vs ‘them’ narrative. This always leads to aggression and saparation. But even the label people love music… why shove them out?

    August 27, 2015 at 2:21 pm #2245651
    Volker Kopetzky
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    At least I’m not the only one: https://medium.com/cuepoint/the-creative-nonpocalypse-31fa38dd8fe3

    August 27, 2015 at 8:08 pm #2245761
    Dom James
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    Not sure if you’ve seen todays news but PRS are now starting legal proceedings, i could very much see soundcloud being offline in 6 months time. While there product has changed DJing/new music for a lot, they suck. They’ve had 5 years to strike a deal with PRS and haven’t, just refused they need a license. I only upload mixes there and mixcloud seriously out does them, im mixcloud all the way, they’re set up to work PRS and labels to monetise streams like it should be done. I think once soundcloud goes offline, and i think it will, something else will come and takes its place but learn from its mistakes!

    August 28, 2015 at 9:16 pm #2246191
    Volker Kopetzky
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    It’s going faster than I thought.

    Unfortunately, SoundCloud pisses off all sides involved: labels, artists and curators…

    I probably should rename the tumblr to “R.I.P. SoundCloud, to your successor with love”.

    September 4, 2015 at 9:22 am #2249021
    Delmar Browne
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    Using Soundcloud as a medium for getting my mix shows heard provided positive results. As long as you respect artistry, the rewards will surpass expectation.

    September 5, 2015 at 6:59 am #2249541
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    unfortunately, that respect only goes one way, from you to SoundCloud. They are not all that worried about respecting you, it seems. And the warning bells that could be heard on the DDJT blog for years are now nearing their – what seems – inevitable conclusion: the demise of a once great platform.

    September 6, 2015 at 12:36 pm #2249851
    Ronnie EmJay
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    It’s a pity, I’ve always used Mixcloud for mixes, and was about to start putting my own original productions on Soundcloud… where to go from here?

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