So here's an idea… DJing in odd meter time signatures..
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February 24, 2014 at 5:04 am #2006199
Alchemy432
Participantwith the blessing of hindsight I probably should’ve written “mixing in odd meter time signatures” rather then DJing… but you get the idea…
February 24, 2014 at 9:28 am #2006332Terry_42
KeymasterI did some Jazz Lounge events and of course in Jazz there are odd tempos… suddenly mixing in key was way more important than matching any beat (as it was impossible anyways…).
February 24, 2014 at 11:15 am #2006394Alchemy432
Participantthat sounds pretty cool, I’m guessing it was impossible due to the grooves and loose/free playing?
I’m still very new to live mixing but I encountered that problem with pink floyd’s – time, trying to mix it with some psytrance (sacrilege maybe? but fun nonetheless :P) the part where the tempo drops dramatically and the groove becomes very loose (right near the end where the vox go “home, home again…” etc) thought it’d make a really nice & unexpected mix throwing it in during a big trancy breakdown where the drums drop out.. anyway I ended up using an acapella groups cover simply because they quantized it pretty solidly and it enabled me to drop it anywhere over anything without constant nudging to keep it all beatsync’d…
I imagine keeping things in key would’ve be a headache it you were pitch shifting in order to beatsync? were you using your ears to detect harmony after pitch shifting or use a softwares pitch detection function? I’m still getting used to all the features available these days but so far I’ve realized that the key’s given by the software is only handy if mixing things at their original tempos and once I hit that sync button (without keylock on because keylock generally sounds poo over more then +/-2 pitch difference) I gotta rely on my ears…
I’m into the music by a psychedelic electronic act called shpongle, they draw from a broad range of influences including jazz and latin, a few songs are in 7/8 and I’m interested in incorporating some trad’ jazz into my sets too, coltrane, pharoah sanders, I’ll probably start with ‘take five’, being the gateway song that got me into jazz.. pretty keen to mix some herbie hancock too..
I think the most challenging thing harmonically for me will be when I start mixing indian ragga’s and trad’ chinese music.. or some other kinds of microtonal stuff, tribal instruments and alternate concert pitch tunings..
cheers for the post terry, its got my mind buzzing with ideas again… 🙂
Peace.February 24, 2014 at 3:01 pm #2006431Terry_42
KeymasterI use Mixed in Key to detect the key and use the Camelot style approach of mixing in key.
As transitions, it just made no sense to adjust to jazzy and crossover tunes, so I used classic 70s fade transitions, some slight lowpass filter transitions and some loop transitions to smooth it up and did some MCing to keep it on the floor.February 24, 2014 at 7:18 pm #2006489Alchemy432
ParticipantTerry! can’t thankyou enough man, I’d not heard of the camelot wheel before but it’s exactly what I’ve been looking for, I thought I was actually going to have to memorize the cycle of 5ths or develop perfect pitch, I was seriously thinking that learning classical piano was my best bet..and along comes the camelot wheel to save me yrs of time… 🙂 cheers again.. off to buy mixed in key now.. 🙂 gotta say this website has turned out to be more of a blessing then i expected.. when I was looking into the mixed in key software you mentioned it was a review from here that I happened to click on.. seems everything I want to know more about so far there’s been a video for from DDJT.. very cool..
Peace
February 24, 2014 at 9:05 pm #2006519Terry_42
KeymasterWhy thanks for the nice feedback.
This is why we do this site, to ease new DJs on their way.Even though I play 2 instruments and my relative pitch is not that bad, the camelot wheel is still very helpful, as it saves a lot of time when you are stressed out mixing 4 decks…
February 24, 2014 at 9:13 pm #2006522DJ Vintage
ModeratorNot to mention there is all kinds of nice tools out there to help you find the right matching (harmonic/beat) tracks, somewhat of a smart playlist so to speak.
Greetinx.
February 24, 2014 at 11:25 pm #2006556Alchemy432
Participantno worries mate,
if I was going for 4=6 track mixes I think I’d prefer knocking up an entire set in a d.a.w (like acid pro) then trying to do as complex a mix live on 4 decks.. just that if i was going to push a mix to that level of complexity I’d rather it be a stress free experience, and with a d.a.w you get perfection everytime.. then simply can render as wav and upload as podcast or whatnot.. fair enough it doesn’t compare to the live djing experience.. but if its a perfect mix you’re after its great, and as your looping filtering tempo/pitch & fx options are endless, you can create mixes and sounds that would be literally impossible to do otherwise.. that said I’d rather keep it simple and get to use my decks.. way more fun to mix live then in a d.a.w in the studio.. 🙂
peace
February 24, 2014 at 11:31 pm #2006558Alchemy432
Participantgreets to u dj vintage,
yeah I’m thoroughly enjoying learning about all the new tech about these days and how much easier everything is to do, it frees up my brain RAM for creativity… still not into the more automated side of things.. bpm detect, key detect (the way mixed in key does it) and sync I really dig, paired with a good audio converter and mp3gain and i’m set… not so into the automix stuff or ‘beat grid for mixing’ stuff tho..
cheers for the post,
peaceFebruary 25, 2014 at 3:06 am #2006595Lamid45G
ParticipantMight wanna check out the Mashup software by the same company that made Mix in key also, it helps you a bit by blending and mashing up songs
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