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February 15, 2014 at 12:25 am #2003735
NewportDJ Drew
ParticipantSimple questions, Complex answer that I will do in point form, I think.
1. The tracks you play have already been mastered.
2. I set my master volume at 0.0 dB and my rec gain at 0.0db
3. You are correct to watch your level and keep below clipping.
4. On clipping, the clip meter comes on 3dB below actual clipping.
5. Turn your limiter off in tractor. give yourself 3-6dB headroom if you must use it. Good gain staging negates its use.
6. When in audacity use your hard limiter effect and set to -1.0dB to remove clips.
7. Only normalize your track if there are quiet tracks and loud tracks…. this will only happen if you have not gained your tracks properly during your set recording.
8. A good wave form should look like….. My opinion only, but a good wave form should neither fill the area nor leave the area empty. There should be some nice ‘transients’ in there.
9. If you have nailed the gains at the beginning signal in, and controlled them to the recorded signal, there should be very, very little to do in audacity due to point 1. It’s worth it to learn this point!
Hope I have helped. 🙂
Drew
Hope this helps.February 15, 2014 at 1:29 am #2003745Ian
ParticipantThanks for your post Drew, made interesting reading!
I didnt know that i actually had another 3db after the clipping came on.
I dont have hard limiter in audacity so ill have to redownload it i think:P
Im struggling with autogain. channel gain in Traktor so, although im getting better at matching each tracks overall volume there are still a few louder and quieter tracks in my waveforms, so for the time being i think i would need to normalize in Audacity, is there a value i need to choose when normalizing?
Speaking of which (ecuse the noob questions) do i normalize first THEN hard limit using the value you posted above? What would the effect be if i hard limited THEN normalized?
Appreciate your time
Regards
Ian
February 15, 2014 at 3:25 am #2003753NewportDJ Drew
ParticipantGood questions!
In my workflow, I hard limit first if it is required, then any other editing (eg fade out at end or removing silence at the start) that’s needed, normalize is the last thing I do before exporting. Stick with the default setting of -1.0dB.I know some will ask why I hard limit at such a high value and the reason is because I like the transients in my wave form but will remove any clipping.
You could do what they do in TV ads, and hard limit to say -6dB then amplify rather than normalize the whole track to say -1 dB and then you have a really loud track that is well, loud but lacks any dynamics. (IMO this makes for a boring listening experience).I know many who say auto gain isn’t very good but I find it gets it mostly right.
What you need to do is experiment with your levels, unfortunately the nature of the beast is the same levels wont always work all of the time.
🙂February 15, 2014 at 4:03 am #2003756Ian
ParticipantCheers m8 🙂
So ive just messed with hard limit in Audacity, so i see its taking the edges off the waveforms, i understand that bit now. You essentially hard limit if youve got close to clipping yea?
Yea i get why that would create for a boring sounding mix hard limiting to such a high value and then amplilfying, the waveform would just look like a big wall wouldnt it, youd get a headache after 10minutes listening to that 🙂
I want the dynamics to stay intact where possible, i always try and buy wav/flac files now for the extra quality, i dont want to destroy then just for loudnesss-sake 🙂
Regards
Ian
February 15, 2014 at 4:44 am #2003758NewportDJ Drew
ParticipantYep. That’s what a limiter is meant to do, jump on the obvious threshold breach but not impact at all on the overall sound.
A ‘brickwall’ waveform is not good except for advertising. That’s why ads appear louder than the tv show you are watching even tho they are not.
Another thing you could do is normalize all your tracks individually.
Which leads to the question… Why aren’t all tracks created to have a similar volume level?February 15, 2014 at 5:20 am #2003761Ian
ParticipantTrue enough. To be honest im having a hard time even understanding how to autogain and channel gains work in Traktor when you load a track up initially. I take it the orange light next to each channel gain is for a new writeable auto gain and if u switch it to blue thats just a normal channel gain as you would get on a normal mixer?
February 15, 2014 at 5:27 am #2003762NewportDJ Drew
ParticipantYep. Orange light=autogain, blue light=manual gain.
February 15, 2014 at 5:50 am #2003768Ian
ParticipantDo you adjust the autogain much when you import new tracks?
February 15, 2014 at 8:24 pm #2003907DJ Vintage
ModeratorI use Platinum Notes to fix a few things (like clipped peaks) and normalize all tracks. This is done PRIOR to loading new tracks into the DJ software. Since they are now normalized, I don’t use autogain.
I’ll always check gain levels though and manually correct if necessary.
Greetinx.
February 16, 2014 at 8:41 pm #2004317Ian
ParticipantCheers Vintage.
Yea ive read up on Plat Notes, sounds a great programme, i’m just not fancying having to retag everything when it creates new copies of the tracks lol.
I just wondered how much ppl actually mess around with the orange autogain setting on tracks, or whether most ppl tend to just change on the blue light instead, cheers 🙂
February 16, 2014 at 9:17 pm #2004322DJ Vintage
ModeratorIn all honesty, I have never used autogain to begin with and I’ll still be watching the level meters and doing fine adjustments with the gain/trim knob. Just that when I forget occasionally (getting older 🙂 ) it’s not that big of a deal anymore. Or in emergency “oh dang, only 20 seconds of tracks left, jam in a new one quick” situations.
And I have PN in my normal workflow for adding tracks now, so I don’t finalize tagging til I am ready to enter tracks into my collection.
Greetinx.
February 16, 2014 at 10:56 pm #2004336Ian
ParticipantYea makes sense 🙂
If im gonna do it i guess i should pick it up earlier rather than later lol.
I have autogain enabled as standard, but when i load a track i always seem to find myself fiddling with the channel gain trying to level the new track. I didnt realise i could essentially just turn the orange button on and make 1 adjustment and not have to worry about it again.
Regards
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