Really Seth Troxler?
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June 7, 2016 at 11:20 pm #2405291
DJ Vintage
ModeratorIn essence I agree with you.
Some considerations I would like to share with our readers are:
1) Even if it’s ok to use a “calculator”, it pays to know how to do it manually. You might not have a calculator handy sometimes, the batteries may have run out or, heaven forbid, the calculator gets it wrong about 20-30% of the time (as happens with bpm/beat grid determination by most DJ software for a variety of tracks). Knowing how to beat match without the tools will give you the full span of control, rather than having to depend on only the tracks the software got right and/or that you prepped correctly in advance.
A practical example is the hand-over from the previous DJ. Fair chance you won’t be able to use sync on his track, so doing a manual beat match (not knowing BPM or anything) is a powerful tool. It will give you great confidence knowing you can do it and also give you peace of mind as you know you won’t be faced with a situation you can’t handle.2) Manual beat matching, imho, only reaches it’s full potential when you can blindly beat match two unknown tracks on media players that don’t even have bpm read-out. In the vinyl days we’d call them turntables :-P.
At this point you can mix anything with anything that is somewhere in the +/- 5 bpm range. Experience will tell you if you can make the mix or not and it will tell you shortly after you’ve started adjusting the bpm of the incoming track. So, even if you are faced with using your backup CDs on some old set of CD-players and a rickety ole FX-less mixer, you can still get your game going.3) No matter your technical prowess, it is not the gear nor the (technical) skills that makes the DJ. We have said it here many times before and I’ll gladly repeat it: “The most important skill for a DJ is KNOWING what must come NEXT”. If you learn to master that one skill, everything else becomes secondary at best.
June 8, 2016 at 1:09 am #2405311DJ Wombat
ParticipantGood addition Vintage. Thanks for your insights. Cheers
June 8, 2016 at 12:57 pm #2405571Terry_42
KeymasterI 100% agree with Vintage here. Especially with point 3.
I also think that knowing manual beatmatching is an extremely valuable skill and I think a DJ should know how to do it blindfolded.
However no matter if you use the sync button or did a manual match… if you do not know how to mix you will trainwreck the whole thing anyways.
I am sorry for mature language in the following video, but I could not say it any better, so here is my friend DJ Iceman’s thoughts on the topic:
https://youtu.be/-7O6KQzHH6sJune 9, 2016 at 12:18 am #2405931Alex Moschopoulos
ParticipantThe only thing I could agree on with Troxler is that I think all DJs who do the kind of beatmatched/blending mixing normally seen all over should try to learn basic beatmatching. I went into it here…
http://www.digitaldjtips.com/2015/06/your-questions-why-is-sync-a-dirty-word/
I just think that sync will fail. Not possibly fail, but will fail. You’ll be in an event where your beatmap might be off, or the song arrangement isn’t conducive to the sync, and thus you’re stuck either skipping or going manual.
NOW…I will NOT say a DJ should never use sync. I’ve been a DJ for 24 years and while I had to learn manual beatmatching, I do love how sync has made the job easier, allowing me to focus on solid EQ blending and programming. I like how looping and cue points now let me extend a break or rearrange a song on the fly to work with my flow.
I just think any DJ does a disservice to himself/herself if they skip tunes or pass on blends because the sync failed them, or they allow a trainwreck to happen. Believe me, with all the gigs I played where monitors were crap (or not there at all), I like that sync makes sure I won’t have trainwrecks.
I love the technology we have now, and how I can be a hobbyist making mixes at home with an inexpensive setup. I just think that our goal as DJs should be to get better more innovative music into the scene, and to elevate sets beyond just straight A-to-B.
I say it over and over…it’s time for the old school “purists” to let the past go and embrace the future. Innovate your sets and stand out beyond the amateur who can’t do much more than A-to-B with sync…rather than bash them for not embracing the old ways.
June 24, 2016 at 3:55 am #2411451DJ Tucker
ParticipantIt’s so easy to learn to beatmatch with digital gear I don’t understand why someone wouldn’t bother. I’ve been in clubs where the dj is using sync and pitch lock and it’s terrible. The songs sound wrong because they’re too fast and the dj is too stupid to realize it. I hate that. I don’t bother him about it but I do keep the club in mind in case I feel like gigging there. Problem is that many gigs come from popularity contests over skill and selection. Either way, to me, sync is wack.
June 24, 2016 at 4:38 am #2411471DJ Wombat
ParticipantAlt Rock that just sounds like a wack DJ who would suck with sync or without sync. If you dont have that basic level of knowledge of course it would sound like crap. It is obviously different for everyone, I just checked out a mix on your mixcloud and ya you played a lot of organic sounding music of different genres so sync is obviously not ideal. But if you are playing a house set or whatever I dont see the point in spending time beatmatching when I could let my computer do it for me so I can focus on other things and be more creative. I prep my tracks before hand so I know the beat grids are bang on so why would I do something redundant that is a complete waste of time? I can manually beat match if I want but to me (for my musical taste) it is a waste of time.
June 24, 2016 at 2:21 pm #2412031DJ Vintage
ModeratorWe are not saying you shouldn’t use sync where possible, we say that relying on sync only (because you don’t master the art of manual beatmatching) is not good practice and will limit your options.
Drop me anywhere with a crate of CDs and two CDJs (without displays, see if I care) and I will get a beat-matched set going somehow. No prep, no grid, no sync. Just headphones, a jog wheel and a pitch fader is all that is needed.
June 24, 2016 at 7:10 pm #2412081DJ Tucker
ParticipantI guess my own bias is that I don’t get to mix house sets (or mini sets) too often so, when I do, I always have fun beatmatching, and even trainwrecking, by ear. I still buy new cars with manual gearboxes though…
June 26, 2016 at 2:06 pm #2412291Rob S
ParticipantAny links to Seth’s comments?
June 26, 2016 at 4:36 pm #2412401DJ Vintage
ModeratorThink it was the friday round-up at the main site around june 7th 🙂
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