Question from "Mixing Power Skills" – Waveforms = Cheating?
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October 3, 2016 at 9:29 pm #2452001
DJ Vintage
ModeratorIn general and stated in all courses as well I think, emphasis is given to “know they tunes”.
Many of us come from vinyl and early days of CDs. No waveforms (not on CDJs til way later on more recent models) or even displays at all (apart from a basic bpm read-out). Knowing your tracks intimately was not a luxury but a necessity. It had another major advantage too. While my ears were listening to the track as it played, my brain already knew when, where and how to transition into the next track (of which I knew when, where and how to transition into), giving me lots of peace of mind and time to interact with the crowd or be browsing for other tracks that would follow the next one nicely (often two or three which I knew had nice “hooks”).
To this day I can still tell you from many of the -then- popular stuff from my collection where the breaks where, what (re)mix had the best intro/outro, where the vocals where, what special sounds they had (like sirens, applause, yells).
Visual mixing (i.e. using waveforms and other on-screen tells) is helpful with dealing with unknown material. However, the whole point about “know they tunes” is that there is no unknown (or even unfamiliar) stuff in your collection.Am I guilty of occasionally peeking at the waveforms? Sure, if only because I was doing three other things at the same time like taking a request and fixing some lighting setting. Looking at the waveform will quickly “snap” me back to where in the track I am. And it’s a nice looking visual indicator to indicate time left on your track.
That said, as always, if it works for you, it works for you. At the end of the day it’s rocking the place that counts.
October 4, 2016 at 1:34 am #2452031Peter Lindqvist
ParticipantIn the terms of using the waveform, that’s how I used the vinyl before i learned a new track. At least on 12”. For me, getting waveforms, starting with the CDJ-1000Mk3’s, made me look at that instead of the time and the cd-cover where I wrote everything about the track. Intros, outros, fading…, everything i could ”see” on the vinyl before.
No one called it cheating when looking at the vinyl for info, so why should it be cheating looking on a digital waveform. After all, when you know a track inside out, you’ll be using your ears anyway. Now, with my new Nxs2, I’m trying to get used to RGB wave forms and that is not going to well… it looks good, but doesn’t tell me anything I know it’s supposed to do. I’m certain that someone here who’s been using RGB wave forms longer than me can tell why they are better 🙂 , but for me it feels cluttered.
October 4, 2016 at 8:43 am #2452131Terry_42
KeymasterBeing an oldschooler myself I have to agree with both parties.
I agree you should know your collection and your tracks, but honestly digital is here and waveforms are nice. Same as hotcues etc.
I still have to know my tracks for the most important skill of a DJ: what do I play next.
But as far as mixing goes I glance at the waveforms, I use hotcues, well I use everything digital is giving me, except sync. And honestly the only reason I do not use sync is that beatmatching has become so natural over the years that I simply forget about it and sometimes it screws more things up then when I do it manually.October 4, 2016 at 11:08 am #2452151DJ Vintage
ModeratorNever intended to imply I didn’t use the stuff that is there, I do too (not much point in being a digital DJ otherwise LOL). But I do know from when I went digital first time with limited gear (Numark D2Director) or software (PC DJ Red) and a WAY too large collection, I felt I became too dependent on displays and what the computer/gear told me. It gave me a very uncomfortable feeling, something I had never experienced with vinyl (even with over 1.000 tracks available).
It involved more than just waveforms, to be honest. Too much choice, too many options when searching for the next track. I felt out of control over my collection.
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