purchasing a new set of headphones – sensitivity & impedance
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August 4, 2014 at 8:45 pm #2047791
DJ Vintage
ModeratorYep, Terry can tell you exactly which ones in that price range are a sure hit 😀
August 5, 2014 at 12:21 pm #2047852Karl
ParticipantWho is Terry? 🙂
August 5, 2014 at 12:27 pm #2047853DJ Vintage
ModeratorTerry is our uber-moderator, DA Man!
He reads all posts, so I am sure you will be hearing from him soon 😀
August 5, 2014 at 3:01 pm #2047892Terry_42
KeymasterThat would be me 🙂
If you have no budget:
Get Sennheiser HD-201 (cost 20 bucks) they are the best low end headphones.Then save up money to get real headphones (which cost 200+ mostly), like Sennheiser HD-25s, Reloop RHP-20s, Beats Mixr or similar.
August 5, 2014 at 3:16 pm #2047900Karl
ParticipantWell, I do already have the Numark Redwave headphones. Would the Sennheiser HD-201 actually be better than the Numark? 200+ is a bit out of budget right now.
The Sennheiser HD-205 II are around 60EUR, well within my budget. Would the HD-205 II be better than the HD-201, or is it similar, not worth the additional price?
Copied below are the specs for HD-201 based on Sennheiser’s website:
Sennheiser HD-201
WEARING STYLE Headband
COLOR silver
FREQUENCY RESPONSE (HEADPHONES) 21 – 18000 Hz
SOUND PRESSURE LEVEL (SPL) 108 dB (SPL)
THD, TOTAL HARMONIC DISTORTION <0,7 %
CABLE LENGTH 3 m
WEIGHT w/o cable: 165 g
NOMINAL IMPEDANCE 24 Ω___
For example, I notice that one has an Impedance of 24Ohm while the other has 32Ohm. Also one has an SPL of 108dB while other has an SPL of 112dB. In real-life terms, how would I be able to compare based on these?
August 5, 2014 at 4:04 pm #2047911DJ Vintage
ModeratorI think you need to let go of all the specs a little. The impedance is really only interesting if you have a very “picky” headphone amp. SPL is interesting (although anything over 100dB is crazy, to have that directly on your eardrum will get you deaf and buzzing with tinnitus in no time) but only if your headphone amp has enough power. Frequency is not very interesting, the low end of the kick drum sitting somewhere between 45 and 80Hz, which all headphones can reproduce (some better than others, but you can’t get that kind of info from the specs).
If a headphone goes too low, it’s gonna eat up power for all the sub bass frequencies that aren’t really necessary for proper mixing. Remember that DJ headphones are a mixing aid, not something to leisurely listen to music with. For me if I get a nice kick drum attack and a clear clap, I am a happy camper.
Another example how trying to compare based on specs can fool you, one headphone mentions sensitivity (with a whopping +/- 3dB variation!) of 98dB. Since there is no real official “rule” for it as far as I know, manufacturers can pick their own formula. Most will pick the sound level produced with a certain frequency playing with a certain amount of power measured at a certain distance. Some will use white/pink noise though (which could explain the 6dB spread for instance) which gives a different outcome.
But even if they would all measure sensitivity the same, you still couldn’t compare the sensitivity of 98dB to the SPL of 112dB as this is the MAXIMUM sound level the headphone can be driven to produce before reaching a certain level of distortion.Things as in-ear, on-ear and over-ear can play at least an equally important role too.
As Terry said, the 201s are one of the best low end headphones, offering way more bang then their price in bucks makes you expect.
The 25-IIs (and a few others) are nice if you ever get into money, go into producing more and/or start playing paid gigs.
We would usually say trust your ears, but I understand you don’t have that luxury there. Trying the HD-201s is a cheap risk. If you don’t like them, you can probably sell them on to someone for 10 bucks and you will have lost only 10.
August 5, 2014 at 11:18 pm #2047957deathy
ParticipantThis was a really useful post for me, I needed a pair of wired headphones so I took you guys’ advice and picked up a pair of HD-201s – I am really impressed with how good they sound for a 25 euro pair of headphones, thanks!
August 6, 2014 at 9:41 am #2047978Karl
ParticipantMy other issue when comparing headphones, even if I go to a physical sound-equipment shop – I’m no where near the noisy environment I am in a club. Listening to 2 pairs of headphones when it’s quiet makes it difficult to compare, as I cannot easily perceive the difference. Any suggestions on this?
August 6, 2014 at 10:05 am #2047984DJ Vintage
ModeratorI would bring my controller to a listening place and just yank them to full power on the headphones. If you can’t hear the difference in max. loudness (or at least the loudness before it becomes too distorted), there is no difference. A difference of 3dB is equivalent to double the power, 10dB is perceived as TWICE as loud.
Obviously can’t explain it on paper, but you WILL be able to tell the difference.
If you are in a store, you can also ask to try a pair of well-known, well-accepted DJ headphones and try those on too for comparison reasons. If many people have and use it, you may assume that it works in loud environments, as that is where DJs playing out do their thing. Just pick a headphone that compares with that one in level and you should be good.
Just my recommendation of course.
August 6, 2014 at 11:54 am #2047994Karl
ParticipantStill, the problem is there is no “base-line” to compare with. I cannot easily switch between two headphones – by the time I disconnect headphones A and connect headphones B, my ears will have re-adjusted and it won’t be easy to know if the difference isn’t exaggeratedly huge.
Basically, I want to know which set of headphones sound the loudest at the same volume, from the same jack. That is my ultimate goal, I just don’t know how is the best way to judge this.
August 6, 2014 at 12:01 pm #2047998DJ Vintage
ModeratorThere isn’t one, unless you are willing to do labtests 🙂
I don’t think your ears whill have re-adjusted in the 5 seconds it takes to unplug one headphone and plug in the next (leaving everything else untouched). I also believe your ears WILL tell you any significant differences and if the differences are not significant, they are not relevant to your question.
Again, I understand your point about not having many opportunities to listen. A somewhat limited budget doesn’t exactly make the search any easier.
I am guessing you looked through the review section of the blog for headphone tests. They will usually say if they are nice and loud or on the quiet side.
Personally, I can never turn up my cans to full (not on my controllers, not on my mixers) because they would just blow my eardrums. And if you need to have your headphones so loud, ear damage is a certainty waiting to happen.
If, and only if, you are playing in a place that is extremely loud, then you might consider on/over the ear headphones (that isolate well) and learn to mix in your cans. The alternative is in-ear headphones, but they don’t come at your price range and really good ones (with custom-molded earpieces) come in at a LOT of money. Both these solutions allow you to (partially) shut out the outside sound and focus on what the headphones/in-ears present to your ears.
August 6, 2014 at 12:07 pm #2048003Karl
ParticipantActually, an idea that just cropped up is – I have an audio switch which I use to connect my headphones and speakers to a PC together, and then choose on which one to play the music on.
If I had to connect headphone A to the headphones output, and headphones B to the speakers output, I can switch with just a push of a button.
I’ll try to go to a store and take it with me and see if it is of any help, maybe I can ultimately decide 🙂
In my case, I can crank the headphones all up and it doesn’t seem “too loud” – that’s why I’m looking for alternatives.
August 6, 2014 at 12:27 pm #2048008DJ Vintage
ModeratorI understand that. I have no experience with the Numarks. So can’t tell you if they are quiet headphones or if the problem is with the Audio 2. USB-powered units (including some controllers) have trouble running enough power to the headphones. I don’t expect this with the Audio 2, with the volume control on the unit on max it should run headphones hot enough, but I don’t have one to test with my own cans.
It’s one of the reasons I suggested bringing your own soundcard for the test.
Greetinx.
August 6, 2014 at 1:00 pm #2048015Terry_42
KeymasterAre the 201s better than the Numark? YES.
Are the 201s better than the 205s? YES.
What are better headphones than the 201s? 25-IIs (cost 200 bucks) NOT the 205-IIsAugust 6, 2014 at 1:02 pm #2048017deathy
ParticipantI am pretty stunned by how good the 201s are.
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