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  • #4149
    Emma Partnow
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    It says in the Following Information that it is ‘Free’ for DJ’s to Sign Up;
    If that is ‘True’; then that is Cool; and I would be Happy to Sign Up;
    However; if it is ‘Not Free’; then I would Not Be Happy as I Currently Do Not Earn An Income From DJ’ing;

    Big Issue – Clubs, DJs & Royalties written by Gemma Curtis

    25,000: the number of licensed venues holding gigs
    £22.8m: total PRS distributions for performances at gigs and clubs
    1.1 million: estimated number of DJ sets performed each year
    7,000: number of gigs and club events PRS sends researchers to
    £6.39: the amount a pub with a capacity of 100 paid to PRS each time a gig
    or DJ session was held.
    (PRS Survey UK.2003)
    It may not be the most glamorous aspect of the music industry, but the
    function of PRS is undoubtedly one of the most vital for music producers in
    the UK. A non-profit organisation, the Performing Right Society (PRS) is the
    UK membership organisation of composers, songwriters, authors and publishers
    of music of all genres. Essentially the primary function of PRS is to
    collect and distribute royalties from music users, who publicly broadcast,
    perform and include music in ‘cable production’ services. In turn they make
    royalty payments to their members, although this is dictated by a number of
    factors and achieved with a varying degree of accuracy. Major television
    stations and large concert venues (typically covered by the PRS Concert
    Scheme) submit detailed reports of music used. The PRS methodology for
    analysing playlists of other venues including commercial clubs, pubs and
    club nights is conducted differently, and is less clearly identified despite
    its considerable magnitude – as the estimated 1.1 million DJ sets indicates.
    Considering the enormity of usage of recorded music by DJs and clubs the
    accuracy of royalty payments thereafter is a difficult area to govern.
    Interestingly, playlists of DJ sets and club nights are analysed in the same
    way and included in the same surveys as set-lists of live performances
    (those which fall outside of the fore-mentioned PRS
    Concert Scheme.) Adrian Crookes, Communications Officer of the PRS, explains
    the current monitoring system of its catalogue: “PRS employs market research
    company Maritz who make 7,000 visits to UK pubs and clubs every year, noting
    down the music that is being played there. It is the largest independent
    survey of its kind. PRS pays pubs / clubs performance royalties based on the
    information Maritz compiles.”

    Each year, Maritz’s main surveys aim to complete 2,500 DJ visits and 3,500
    live visits, using a random selection process. A spokesperson for Maritz
    gives details of the procedure, “PRS use a stratified sample where venues
    are selected randomly. Visits are carried out throughout the UK, every day
    of the year, every year. The number of visits allocated to certain types of
    premises such as pubs, clubs and hotels are in proportion to the share of
    the total public performance revenue PRS receives from those premises
    types.”

    Notably, when a club applies for a PRS licence it is with a condition that
    they assist in making returns when requested, and the visit is not made
    known beforehand. Also, once a Maritz researcher has visited a club or
    venue, there is no certainty as to when they will feature in the survey
    again.
    Obviously cost and practicality make it impossible to catalogue every
    individual DJ set or club night playlist. The cost of licensing and
    obtaining the set lists means that PRS has to operate a system of sampling,
    where set lists from a random selection of the events are taken and used to
    pay out all the royalties. Therefore it is crucial that the sampling is as
    accurate as possible to reflect royalty payments owed. In 2004, PRS made a
    number of alterations to their research, resulting in upping the number of
    Music Survey DJ visits by 75%, introducing an enhanced system in support of
    the UK music survey and, perhaps most significantly, supplementing
    information from Maritz visits by creating the Small Gigs And Clubs Scheme.
    As its name indicates the scheme encompasses DJs as well as live
    performances. Regular performers of small venues across the UK, (including
    pubs, bars, community centres and hotels) email PRS a set list including
    their usual songs, along with a list of 10 small gigs and club events. The
    royalty for the gig is calculated and royalties paid out across the
    accompanying set list. An exception is made if the event is already included
    in a PRS sample.

    

    #4150
    Emma Partnow
    Member

    Similarly, any DJ can voluntarily sign up to the scheme (email:
    [EMAIL=’gigsclubsscheme@mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk’]gigsclubsscheme@mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk[/EMAIL]) and must supply full name, address
    and contact details. Those who join will be asked to complete a set list
    based on the music they’ll be playing over a determined period of time, with
    royalties paid out based on this information. Adrian Crookes emphasises,
    “Any type of performer is eligible to join the scheme – DJs, members of live
    bands, string quartets, resident pianists in hotels etc – as long as someone
    is performing regularly and has access to email.

    “All nightclubs are eligible for the Gigs And Clubs Scheme. Non-eligible
    venues are those we call concert venues. Typically these premises hold live
    performances in a concert setting and where there is usually a charge for
    admission. Performances in these types of venues make full returns of all
    works performed under the PRS Concerts Scheme.”

    Although the Maritz researchers will enlist the DJs in the clubs they visit
    to fill out the performance information, clubs are not responsible for
    providing their DJs with PRS sheets. PRS sheets and statistics are ONLY
    gathered if they’re part of the sample or have enlisted to the Gigs And
    Clubs Scheme. Thus it is essential for as many DJs as possible to sign up,
    and for the PRS to encourage participation. The onus lies with the DJ to
    want to supply this information, and may be a sticking point in the process.
    Although a DJ who plays his own music will reap the benefits (royalties are
    made to the music producer), there seems to be little incentive for other
    DJs to join. A well-respected local DJ who plays across many venues in South
    Wales sums this up: “I’m not aware of the scheme and would have no interest
    in signing up. If you asked other DJs I expect their response would be the
    same. Why would I want to – what do I get out of it?”

    Similarly John Rostron, who has been DJing under the pseudonom of Johnny
    Acid for a more than a decade suggests, “I would doubt DJs would be signed
    up to [the PRS scheme] because very few, if any, play their own music. There
    is no reason for me, as a DJ, to sign up because I don’t produce music.”
    PRS, however, take another view: “DJs who don’t perform their own material
    join it because they want to make sure that the creators of the music they
    champion get paid. It costs nothing to join but makes sure the money finds
    its way back into music. Why wouldn’t they want to do that?”
    Admittedly, the Gigs And Clubs Scheme is more straightforward and directly
    beneficial for performers and the form is rather easier for them to
    complete. As it requires songwriters, publishing and / or label listing- a
    performer will know this information, but a DJ may need to check it out.
    However, PRS have undertaken steps to encourage DJ participation, “With
    regard to DJs, PRS conducted, as part of the pilot Gigs And Clubs Scheme, an
    exercise to engage with most major DJ agents and representative bodies who
    were visited and asked to participate in the project. The project was
    championed by many DJs and details were broadcast on BBC Radio 1 and Kiss
    FM, featured on the BBC website and at the Urban Music Seminar.”
    Other increases in promotion will inevitably also help, including currently
    the PRS website – full details of the scheme are provided at prs.co.uk; PRS
    membership magazine – the scheme’s launch and updates are featured in M
    magazine (circulated to 44,000 PRS members and publishers); field based
    staff – PRS staff based around the UK are available to promote the scheme
    where appropriate and talks and seminars – PRS staff regularly engage with
    the PRS membership at open meetings, seminars and music events.
    Despite the Gigs And Club Scheme promotion and the Matriz research, it is
    questionable as to whether clubs, venues and DJs really have knowledge and /
    interest in royalty payments. Adrian Crookes disagrees: “Licence holders who
    are selected as possible venues for participation in the UK music survey are
    sent a letter explaining why PRS conducts the survey ie, to make sure the
    licence money paid by music users goes to the right people – the writers and
    publishers of the music performed. This information is sent to 45,000 venues
    a year, not just the ones that get visited.

    More and more DJs are aware that royalties are due from their performances
    of recorded music. PRS actively encourages regular DJ performers to submit
    details of what they are performing because again, we want to make sure the
    royalty goes to the right people – the music creators.”

    Even those who do not fully understand the process, it is simple as, “all
    they need do is co-operate with our researchers when needs be.” Similarly a
    spokesperson for Maritz defends the clubs, venues and DJs, “Most clubs and
    venues are happy to allow researchers into their venues. They appreciate
    that this is an effective method to make sure the licence money they pay
    goes to the right people – the writers and publishers of the music that is
    actually performed in their venue.”

    The huge use of recorded music in the public forum is undeniable. PRS always
    attempt to increase accuracy in payments. But can it be deemed enough?
    Geographical factors may make a difference to a set-list, for Wales the
    number of clubs and frequency of DJs playing Welsh and Welsh-language
    artists will be much higher than anywhere else in the UK. This is one factor
    not considered by PRS.

    “PRS does not differentiate by region or genre. The PRS UK Music Survey, the
    PRS Concerts scheme, the Live Concerts Service, and the Gigs And Clubs
    Scheme give Wales, and the rest of the UK a variety of methods to encourage
    and ensure that information about performances can be received by PRS and
    matched to a royalty.”

    Interestingly, two documents – PRS Music Survey 2004: Most Played DJ Tracks
    in Wales and PRS Music Survey 2004: Most Performed Songs in Wales (Live)
    list the top 10 tracks played and performed in Wales, and did not feature a
    Welsh artist. The Beyonce’s of the world are noted, but it may be concluded
    that on a lesser scale those who need to benefit most from the plays do not.
    Thus, this is where the Gigs And Club Scheme has the potential to make a
    difference. As Adrian Crookes emphasises of the scheme, “It’s a surefire way
    of getting royalties to the correct writer and producers, particularly those
    creators who may not feature in other PRS distribution schemes. There are
    people for whom even a modest royalty can make a difference.”
    As one of the main principles of the Gigs And Clubs Scheme is that every
    submission where a royalty is due, is paid, this makes a lot of sense and is
    an encouraging prospect.

    Due to the vast number of venues and club nights, the PRS may be unable to
    achieve any greater degree of representation of recorded music in this area.
    However, they continually look to better the system. As Maritz agree, “PRS,
    in partnership with us, is constantly looking at ways to improve the methods
    and practices it uses to operate the [visits] survey. In 2004 a series of
    processes was introduced which has helped enable us to collect greater
    numbers of survey performances than ever before.” And they also have a
    strong belief in the current system. Adrian Crookes from PRS again: “The
    weightings used to work out the royalties from the sampled premises was
    designed by Professor of Statistics at Cambridge University, Frank Kelly.
    So, we are confident that we have produced the most accurate survey we can
    and is probably the most accurate survey of public performance in the
    world.”

    PRS can do their best, but a general change in attitude should also be on
    the cards. Visit-based research is always going to be difficult to make more
    accurate, purely due to the enormity of the area. But DJs who sign up to the
    Gigs And Clubs Scheme can help bridge the gap between the megastars and the
    grassroots, and benefit those at a lower level by submitting details of
    their sets. Rather than the DJ asking why should they join, maybe they
    should be asking themselves why not?
    l Clubs, venues and DJs with unanswered queries regarding PRS can contact
    their local PRS Territory Manager or the National Sales Centre on 0845 309
    3090. Or can check out the website: http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk for further
    information

    #4151
    D-Jam
    Participant

    Geez…I sometimes think society has gone too far in “rights managed”.

    I can understand when they want to check the collection of a DJ who’s getting paid thousands to play, but when it comes down to the guy getting $100 for a few hours of his time, it seems like bigger trouble than it is.

    I honestly think one day DJs and artists should simply form their own collective and boycott playing any music that gets all into an uproar about royalties and such.

    So much nickel and diming happening, but yet the people working feverously to protect their stuff generally turn out the worst crap. Generally big labels and manufactured popstars.

    #4195
    Emma Partnow
    Member

    Yes this is True;
    It would be Cool if we were able to (and there is the Beginnings of a Distinct Possibility); play Just Music that the Artists (on SoundCloud for instance) had Allowed us to Download for Free; I have probably 150 tracks so far (from there); as the PRS could then take a Run And Jump 🙂

    #6324
    Digitall DJ
    Member

    Sorry, should have rounded this off before – would you believe the inspector never even turned up?!! haha
    Thanks for your input though.

    #1001505
    happydan
    Participant

    I hate the PRS with a passion. They pull royalties for music they don’t even have rights to.

    #1001506
    Emma Partnow
    Member

    Digitall DJ, post: 6319 wrote: Sorry, should have rounded this off before – would you believe the inspector never even turned up?!! haha
    Thanks for your input though.

    It is Great that they Didn’t Turn Up; but I wouldn’t ‘Presume’ that your Club is ‘Home Free’; as if there has been any ‘Sniff Of The PRS’; they could Turn Up At Any Time; and Without Prior Notice

    #7817
    Phil Morse
    Keymaster

    If this had happened in Communist Russia, we’d be up in arms about in in the West…

    #7844
    U31
    Member

    Britain and its particular brand of Velvet Fascism Phil…

    We got a taste of that Back in the day with the Criminal Justice Bill

    Many good mates were beaten to a pulp at Lomeshay industrial estate –
    4 minutes in on this film
    http://www.highonhope.com/

    #7860
    Phil Morse
    Keymaster

    On a lesser but related note, TV Licensing – a knock on the door and a man peering into your lounge to see if you’ve got a TV on…

    #1001755
    U31
    Member

    You can actually go to prison for watching a TV unlicensed, its absolutely crazy!

    #7876
    Cybertrash
    Member

    Phil Morse, post: 7855 wrote: On a lesser but related note, TV Licensing – a knock on the door and a man peering into your lounge to see if you’ve got a TV on…

    [media=youtube]mn1Y7nhB16U[/media]

    Don’t mind the crappy intro, it gets better after a couple of seconds in.

    #7885

    Glad i live in Oz, no tv license, we have similiar to prs but not as active as yet

    #7898
    mr stifffy
    Member

    dog licence, tv licence, road tax, income tax, its all stupid ways of making money, I had a dvd player in my car before and a cop asked me did I have a licence for it!

    #7901
    U31
    Member

    Income tax was a temporary measure introduced to finance the Napoleonic wars…..

    Yerrrrr….. Roight…..

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