Professional Dj's playing prerecorded mixes. Opinion?
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November 26, 2011 at 9:45 pm #10478
Spandryl
MemberFor myself, and I’ve only been to a handful of shows, its about the atmosphere and the sound/light system. That’s really what I’m paying for. I saw Daft Punk perform in Montreal in ’07, but I already had the Coachella festival bootleg from the year prior. Same set. They could’ve done it live, but it was the same mixes… however, I was not disappointed at all. The energy in the room was insane!
When I go to dubstep shows now, that’s why I go. The system, the energy, maybe some exclusive tracks, some excellent track selections. But I’m never watching the DJ… I’m raging!
November 27, 2011 at 11:10 am #10494mr_john
MemberI’m not a fan of it. When I’m at a show and a big name DJ messes up, I smile and cheer. For example at ATB’s show he faded to the wrong track, just smiled and waved. My respect rocketed for the guy.
When a set is too perfect I start to get suspicious. Kinda like when a singer is hitting every note perfectly you start to wonder if they’re lip sinking. All a DJ’s doing is playing recorded music anyway, playing a fake set they might as well not even be there, and I might as well not pay 40 dollars to go see them.
November 27, 2011 at 2:17 pm #10503Erik Toth
ParticipantIt’s matter of taste and the show.
You think a dj who is on the tour 10-11 months with the same gig almost every day gonna play the mixes live? They go pre-recorded and just put some effects and samples on it to sound slightly different compared to the day before.
They make the show and they have to give you the impression that they do everything right then at the spot.
About “playing a fake set they might as well not even be there”…..I have 1 word for this: Kraftwerk 🙂November 27, 2011 at 6:02 pm #10510Paul Hillen
MemberSpandryl, post: 10474 wrote: For myself, and I’ve only been to a handful of shows, its about the atmosphere and the sound/light system. That’s really what I’m paying for. I saw Daft Punk perform in Montreal in ’07, but I already had the Coachella festival bootleg from the year prior. Same set. They could’ve done it live, but it was the same mixes… however, I was not disappointed at all. The energy in the room was insane!
When I go to dubstep shows now, that’s why I go. The system, the energy, maybe some exclusive tracks, some excellent track selections. But I’m never watching the DJ… I’m raging!
Exactly this. BOREGORE is deep dubstep, and to follow the drops and dance with the crowd is crazy fun. I dont have a problem in paying for the crowd environment or the party aspect of it, but I dont like to pay 45 dollars in the case to SEE Dada Life “preform”. You could get the same effect by pluggin in a IPOD and playing it crazy loud. But then again, Big names = Crazy parties. So that part makes sense.
mr_john, post: 10490 wrote: I’m not a fan of it. When I’m at a show and a big name DJ messes up, I smile and cheer. For example at ATB’s show he faded to the wrong track, just smiled and waved. My respect rocketed for the guy.
When a set is too perfect I start to get suspicious. Kinda like when a singer is hitting every note perfectly you start to wonder if they’re lip sinking. All a DJ’s doing is playing recorded music anyway, playing a fake set they might as well not even be there, and I might as well not pay 40 dollars to go see them.
I would do the same. To see the guy is trying would make me give MAD respect. and Very good comparison with a singer, that’s kinda how I felt. Don’t get me wrong, had a AWESOME time. But that was in the back of my head the whole time. Thinking that they aren’t reading the crowd at all.
Erik Toth, post: 10499 wrote: It’s matter of taste and the show.
You think a dj who is on the tour 10-11 months with the same gig almost every day gonna play the mixes live? They go pre-recorded and just put some effects and samples on it to sound slightly different compared to the day before.
They make the show and they have to give you the impression that they do everything right then at the spot.
About “playing a fake set they might as well not even be there”…..I have 1 word for this: Kraftwerk 🙂Excellent point as well. Totally forgot to think about it in that way. You could also think about it in the way that you paid 45 dollars to see excellence, and to hear them f up might not justify it.
November 28, 2011 at 10:34 am #10537mr_john
Memberthe “I’m on tour a lot” excuse doesn’t do it for me. A lot of shows say either “Live” or “DJ set” somewhere in their information. For example deadmau5 who plays his music live, also does his unplugged shows where it’s just djing. Same with nero. And I wouldn’t expect either of them to just pop on a CD and play solitaire for 2 hours while bobbing their head. If it’s going to be a DJ set, that’s fine, but don’t lie about it. I feel no sympathy for the guys spinning off the same tracks gig after gig. If they can’t handle mixing live every show, then I think they’re in the wrong business. DJ’s have more musical freedom than any other musician. You think the foo fighters don’t get tired of playing the same songs at every show? As a DJ, and especially as an international star DJ, you can spin something totally random in on a whim. If you’re bored by your set, that’s your own fault.
It’s this sort of behavior that makes no one take digital DJing seriously. I can’t even imagine playing a recorded set. It would take all the fun and passion out of it. If I step on a frayed cable in a puddle of beer get electrocuted and die, I want the crowd to know it within a short period of time.:cool:
November 29, 2011 at 5:43 pm #10637Cool Cats
Membermr_john, post: 10533 wrote: If they can’t handle mixing live every show, then I think they’re in the wrong business. DJ’s have more musical freedom than any other musician. You think the foo fighters don’t get tired of playing the same songs at every show? As a DJ, and especially as an international star DJ, you can spin something totally random in on a whim. If you’re bored by your set, that’s your own fault.
So I totally get where you’re coming from. I freaking love Dada Life and if I heard Happy Violence or that Cotton Eyed Joe mashup, I would absolutely lose it – however, guys like Skrillex really aren’t DJs and he pretty much just pre-mixes or lines
it up in Abelton and smokes cigarettes while fist pumping. That’s because he’s a producer, and DJ Set is code for “hey, come hear my tunes live over a $10,000 sound system.” I don’t think he or a lot of other producers set out to be “djs”, it’s just what EDM fans expect live – so that’s the term they use.What you and I do with tracks live – blending, mixing, pitch riding etc. – gets called DJing as well. It really IS DJing, but a bro with neon sunglasses who just wants to hear Levels or a Benassi remix of Cinema doesn’t give a flip about the difference. Hence Angello screwing off while he should be mixing. 🙁
November 30, 2011 at 6:07 pm #10672D-Jam
ParticipantI only know three instances when I’d say it’s ok.
- You put together some lights/pyrotechnics set that has to align perfectly with the music, so you have PART OF (not all) of your show be where you play this mix and let the visual show do it.
- A “megamix” where you take 5-8 big tracks and edit, cut, and intertwine them into a 7-10 minute megamix that you can play as a block. Back in the 80s and into the 90s a lot of these existed solely fro DJs to play and move the crowd with. I also won’t condone a DJ if he makes a wild “edit intro” and plays that in the beginning of his/her set.
- When you’re the only DJ and it’s early in the night, a dead room, etc. I did this a few times when I was hired to play all night in a lounge. From 9 til 11 the place was empty, so I played some mixes I made in the past, but when people started showing up I went over to playing live.
In the case of a big name doing it mainly to cheat, then I don’t condone it. Like how Steve Angello was doing it in that video. I agree with Mr_John that if you’re going out and getting paid thousands to be a DJ, then be a DJ. Unfortunately as Cool Cats alluded to, people also just hire producers to show up and play their tunes. We as DJs can get mad, but the scene/consumers come out in droves…so the market has spoken.
November 30, 2011 at 9:01 pm #1002266Paul Hillen
Membermr_john, post: 10533 wrote: If I step on a frayed cable in a puddle of beer get electrocuted and die, I want the crowd to know it within a short period of time.:cool:
hahahahah I love that. I completely agree with everything you said. Kinda feels like false advertisement when they don’t actually DJ when they advertise it as they are.
Cool Cats, post: 10633 wrote: In the case of a big name doing it mainly to cheat, then I don’t condone it. Like how Steve Angello was doing it in that video. I agree with Mr_John that if you’re going out and getting paid thousands to be a DJ, then be a DJ. Unfortunately as Cool Cats alluded to, people also just hire producers to show up and play their tunes. We as DJs can get mad, but the scene/consumers come out in droves…so the market has spoken.
I just saw the video. EXACTLY what I was talking about. I hate the turn nob thing that dj’s do!! And ya, Producers playing their stuff sells out…sad but true.
December 1, 2011 at 11:03 pm #10739softcore
MemberIf they can’t handle mixing live every show, then I think they’re in the wrong business
Pretty much this sums up my opinion – occasions like D-Jam mentioned I can accept, but nothing more than that….In fact if I notice such a thing hapening ( IF ) , I’ll turn 180 degrees (assuming the door is facing the booth) and walk away as fast as I can.
December 2, 2011 at 7:56 pm #10781Paul Hillen
Membersoftcore, post: 10735 wrote: Pretty much this sums up my opinion – occasions like D-Jam mentioned I can accept, but nothing more than that….In fact if I notice such a thing hapening ( IF ) , I’ll turn 180 degrees (assuming the door is facing the booth) and walk away as fast as I can.
I would totally do the same thing. However, I payed 45 dollars for this particular event, and I really was not about to leave. Ya know?
December 2, 2011 at 9:40 pm #10786Alix Elder
MemberHere’s how I look at it. I was at an anime convention almost a year back, and after a few hours of fun, well mixed music, the power went out in the hotel, and was back up in less that a minuet. However, as soon as the power was back on, the music seemed to start over from the beginning. I realized that the dj had been playing a prerecorded set. This irked me, but the music was still fun and the people didn’t care, they came to dance, not to analyze.
Prerecorded sets are useful in three ways, when you’re nervous as hell, when you’re touring, and when you’re showing someone you’re work and style. Part of what makes a great dj, it your ability to read a crowd and pick the perfect track for the perfect moment. If you’re playing a prerecorded set, it may be a fun night, but not the best. Music, lovingly picked for the audience is what makes a night unforgettable.December 2, 2011 at 11:29 pm #10791groovemixer
MemberThis ticks me off. I have seen Teisto and DJ Shah do this. I paid to see a performance not a recording. You can totally tell when they are not mixing live.
I understand some of the above posts, sometimes you need a break or just setting up with a small set playing till your ready to roll.
What upsets me is when the DJ is farting around talking to the ppl behind him or is looking through their CD’s but never change the CD or actually touch the crossfader or faders.
I was standing a floor above watching DJ Shah pretend to mix. All he did was turn the eq knobs and play his midi keyboard. Funny how the knobs turn and nothing changes with the music.
December 3, 2011 at 7:51 pm #1002298Alix Elder
MemberYeah, that’s the only thing I don’t like. It’s kinda like lip syncing. What’s the point in turning the nobs when we all know it’s fake? If you’re not going to do it right, then for gods sake at least try to fool everyone properly. But then again, if you do that you might as well just do it right.
December 5, 2011 at 12:53 am #10866Paul Hillen
Membergroovemixer, post: 10788 wrote: I was standing a floor above watching DJ Shah pretend to mix. All he did was turn the eq knobs and play his midi keyboard. Funny how the knobs turn and nothing changes with the music.
EXACTLY what dada life and boregore were doing. I mean, its blatantly not doing anything. So SO annoying and I felt extremely ripped off.
Alix Elder, post: 10815 wrote: Yeah, that’s the only thing I don’t like. It’s kinda like lip syncing. What’s the point in turning the nobs when we all know it’s fake? If you’re not going to do it right, then for gods sake at least try to fool everyone properly. But then again, if you do that you might as well just do it right.
Hahahaha right? Kind of a catch 22. If you do it, Make it look real. If ya make it look real, might as well DO IT REAL
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