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  • #2073761
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Controller -> RCA to TRS cable -> Yamaha Mixer Channel 3/4! (DO NOT USE CHANNEL 1 or 2!!!) -> Mixer Ouput with XLR cable to Speaker Input on Subwoofer (one left one right) -> Subwoofer Output with XLR cable to Speakers Input

    You should be good to go like this, as these Yamaha babies usually detect unbalanced input on channel 3/4 and adjust.
    Then do a soundcheck like described here:
    http://www.digitaldjtips.com/2013/04/beginners-guide-to-pa-systems-part-1-basics/

    #2074082
    rc@dc.rr.com
    Participant

    Thanks for the reply I appreciate the info. I’m not sure if Ill have an issue using the RCA to TS but The cable goes from a duel RCA to one single TS. And I noticed the 3/4 channel was L and R. If I plug it in just one side will it have the same effect? I guess I can go get a single RCA to a single TS if they make those

    #2074102
    Coltrane09
    Participant

    You should use a DUAL RCA to DUAL TS like this one: http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-Cable-HOS-CPR201-Dual/dp/B000068O16 to go from the controller to the Yamaha Mixer 3/4 or 5/6 channel.

    #2074131
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Indeed left RCS goes to left MONO TRS and right RCA goes to right MONO TRS.
    So one goes into channel 3 and one into 4.
    The cable Coltrane09 linked is the one you need.

    #2074142
    rc@dc.rr.com
    Participant

    Cheers guys!

    #2074562
    rc@dc.rr.com
    Participant

    Having issues hooking this up, the Yamaha Mixer has XLR outs. They go from the XLR outs to the back of the sub.
    Going from the sub output to the back of the speaker input require all female XLR. They don’t make those they make adapters. So everyone uses adapters to go from the sub to the speaker with XLR???

    #2074572
    squarecell
    Participant

    On the speaker, you’re plugging in at the top where it says “line input” using a female-male XLR cable.

    #2075781
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    With (audio)XLR all you need to remember is “pin follows signal”. Meaning the pins (male connector) always “point” in the direction the signal goes. So output from your controller/mixer is always male, taking female XLR cable end. At the speaker end the inputs will always be female, taking male XLR connector. If you want to go from a microphone to a mixer, you start with a female XLR at the microphone and run a male connector into your mixer.

    I think I explained this one in another post already. Assuming 1 sub and 2 tops:
    1) run two xlr cables to the sub
    2) plug the male XLR into the female connections marked “input”
    3) plug the female XLR connectors from two cables into the male connections marked “output”
    4) take the male end of both cables to one top end speaker each and plug the male connector into the LEFT hand female connector on the speaker marked “mic/line in”
    Few things to watch for”
    a) on the sub. Set the polarity switch to “out”, this should mean no polarity/phase switching is active
    b) also on the sub. Set the High Pass Filter switch to HPF
    c) on the speaker. Make sure the small switch next to the left input is set to “line”

    #2076342
    rc@dc.rr.com
    Participant

    Thanks for the update. It all worked fine, but there is a humming coming out of the speakers when the volume is off or very low. The humming seems to be in just one speaker, but when I disconnect it, it switches to the other speaker and so on. Not sure what it is. It doesn’t sound like mic feedback, it’s just a rolling hum….

    Issue number 2. My sub sux! I thought it would be good, but this jbl 518s doesn’t fill a room at all. Really can only feel it if your standing next to it, otherwise it really has no effect. What do I need to get. Someone said to get the qsc kw181. Does anyone have experience with these two subs? It the extra 500w worth it?

    What are some other subs I could get that rally fill a room with base

    #2076381
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Humming is usually a sign of 50 or 60Hz interference coming from the power end of things (ground loop). Often you’ll need to check your cabling and/or use what’s called an earth lift (which cancels the ground loop)

    How loud is it? If it is only noticeable in a quiet room and standing pretty close to the speaker, it can also be a hum that is just in the speaker (or more likely the amp). However, since you say the hum just moves up the line if you take speakers out of the chain, I doubt that is the case here.

    One thing to try is to hook up the controller and speakers to the same power outlet, sometimes if speaker and controller are on different “power-groups” it can cause some interference also.

    I can’t imagine the 518s are not packing a punch. It’s an 18″ sub with 500Watt RMS. Not a lot by sub standards, but I can’t believe you don’t hear/feel anything. Especially if you are looking at 50-100 people. Obviously, if you are looking for “concert-level” sub-low, it’s not gonna happen with these speakers and even the QSC might disappoint you. But that is a combination of taste, your ears and your perception.

    To get a 3dB increase in Sound Pressure Level (SPL) you need DOUBLE the amplifier power using the same speaker. Unfortunately, a 3dB increase is not perceived as twice as loud by the audience (our ears are just not rigged that way). To get twice the perceived loudness, you need about 10 dB increase in SPL. Meaning a bit more than 3dB + 3dB + 3dB or, in amp power, 2x + 2x + 2x. Total amp increase needed is 2x2x2 = a whopping 8 times the amp power to SOUND twice as loud.

    Why am I telling you this? You’ll say the 518s has 500W and the QSC 1000W. So the QSC, based on amp power, can only be 3dB louder than the 518s. BUT, there is another thing to consider, and that is sensitivity (the efficiency of the speaker really). This is a measure of how much power is turned into volume.

    And looking at the specs, the 518s runs at 129dB max and the QSC at 135dB. As I just showed you a 6dB increase would require FOUR times the amp power if both speakers were equally efficient. Since there is only twice the amp power, this means the QSC gets a lot more dBs per Watt amp power.

    The answer to your question is the extra 500W worth it, would be a sincere yes (trust your ears though, not the figures!). You pay for twice the amp power, but get the loudness gain of four times the amp power.

    One last thing on your current speakers, you might try setting the polarity switch the other way (don’t play music while you switch) and see if that makes a difference. I doubt it, but you never know.

    #2078072
    rc@dc.rr.com
    Participant

    Good advise I’ll try all that, thanks.

    Yes, I had the power cables for everything split in two, drawing from different outlets. Ill try grouping them. And yes it is not noticeable when I just turn it up a bit.

    I sold the jbl 518s today and purchases the qsc kw181. Will test it on fri. From what I here it’s the go to for mobile DJ’s.

    Someone had aslo mentioned that with using the jbl sub with my qsc’s, I didn’t have the proper crossover or something. I think matching the set with the qsc sub can only improve things. I also bough pretty cheap xlr cables just to get everything hooked up, so not sure if that plays a part.

    #2078101
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Yep, could very well be. We did a studio test using budget, regular and high end cable and while I don’t have audiophile ears, it was absolutely audible. Now we are not talking about hooking up low signal micrphones, but high signal line equipment, but it still pays (also from a mechanical safety point of view) to buy at least a decent brand. There is no need for “monster”-like cabling, but cutting corners on cabling is not a good plan, imho.

    #2079231
    rc@dc.rr.com
    Participant

    Roger

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