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February 1, 2015 at 2:31 pm #2133521
DJ Vintage
ModeratorHi Brian, sound kewl – being able to do this with your son.
First of all, rule #1: In PA you get what you pay for!
In my humble opinion there is no way you’ll get a 1 sub / 2 top system for the budget you are mentioning. Also Terry will no doubt chime in with not using Behringer, quality of sound at least is below par in our opinion. Altos I have no comment. The NEW Thump series are pretty nice and imho the absolute best of the three you mentioned. Thumps do have bit of sound coloration that somehow doesn’t sit right with every one.
Second. Size of PA. Don’t buy based on the BIGGEST room you intend to play, buy based on what number of people / size of room you will play MOST. If you do 75-125 people 9 out of 10 times, it’s more prudent to rent that one time you have the bigger gig than buy the big kit which is overkill (also on the budget) for the other 9 times.
After many years (and making some money I put away for the purpose) I upgraded my own PA to the Mackie HD-series (2x 12″ top and 1x 18″ sub), giving me 2000 RMS power with a very high efficiency (SPL) and great sound. This setup I can comfortably do 150-200 with. At the prices at that time, the entire set was 3750, now they have come down and you can get a set for about 2700 euro or so. Clearly not your budget, but just to show you what kind of money is involved. This is by NO means the most expensive setup. If you start moving toward RCF or such brands, 25-50% more is not unusual.
You might want to check out (p)review of the new Denon Axis setup. Retailprice on two 12″ tops and 1 12″ sub (1000W RMS each) is 1.800 usd. So street price would move into your budget. Although I haven’t heard them yet, Denon has a reputation to uphold as builders of quality gear.
February 1, 2015 at 4:36 pm #2133571Michael Risola
ParticipantFrom my experience if you are going to buy a PA try to buy high quality. I own 2 Alto TS115’s thinking I would go the low cost way. I’m sorry I bought them. I now use them as a back up.
I decided to go with Yamaha DXR12’s and a Yamaha DX15 sub for a total cost of $1800 on sale. The reason I decided on Yamaha is for the 7 year warranty. I’ve had good experience using Yamaha equipment throughout the years playing in bands. Very reliable product.
Look into the new line of DBR Yamaha active speakers. They are reasonably priced and still come with a great warranty. They should be in your price range. Also check out EV active speakers before you make any decisions.
If I was to start over again I would have gone with 2 Yamaha DXR15’s at about $1300-$1500 for the set after taxes. This set up would be reliable and have a good warranty.
February 2, 2015 at 9:03 am #2133681Terry_42
KeymasterI totally concur with Vintage. The Thumps are very good and also easy to stack. You can start out with 2 15” add a sub and if you need even more power add 2 more 15”s….
February 2, 2015 at 11:19 am #2133721DJ ScottyJ
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Yeah, i dont think you will even need a sub if you get the right top boxes. I just bought 2 Electro Voice elx115p and they are amazing. For the price definitely the best I’ve heard. The bass response is good enough for rap and edm, and the horns will blow you out the water at close range. They are clear loud and punchy. I picked mine up from AMS for $1300, and ill buy the matching 118p,in due time, but if i need them, I’ll rent, and charge it to the customer. I look at it like this, yeah it’s an expensive venture, but to be your own boss, do something ppl truly wish they could do, get to play with music in ways that makes you feel like an artist, make money, and meet many new ppl,its worth it. Besides, most of the equipment is a one time buy, so, it can all pay for itself. Take a wedding, you really don’t even have to mix, they are baserunning your PA, mic, and MC skills, for a few hours and making 500 to 1000 bucks. And if it doesn’t work out, sell it. My advice, dont be scurd, cough it up, spend the cash on what u want, because you will wish u did when it all works itself put. I’ve spent 4000 I 2 months last year, but guess what, I have a very badass kit for a DJ only 3 years into it. And i started with hdj1500,audio2mk2 card, and my laptop with traktor. Now, well, let’s just say if you need a dj, you better advance me, cuz i get to pick and choose my gigs. Good luck.
February 2, 2015 at 11:21 am #2133731DJ ScottyJ
ParticipantBaserunning eh, damn auto correct, I meant renting, they are renting you and your it. Lol
February 2, 2015 at 11:57 pm #2134131DJ Vintage
ModeratorFrankly, the general idea is that rental fees are approx. 3-4% of the purchase value. Meaning you need 25-30 times renting before the gear starts to earn you money. Assuming you get the set that you use on MOST gigs (renting the other 10-15% of the time), you should be able to recover your purchase price in about 14-16 month max. I.e., unless you are playing at least 2 times a month, you are spending too much on stuff just sitting in storage (if you have it, otherwise another expense).
Another issue is, by renting in the beginning you get to try different systems (most rental companies carry more brands/quality levels and you can use various rental companies) which will make it much easier to define your wishes and demands by the time you are ready to buy your own kit.
As for the subs. While 15″ tops can provide enough bass for smaller venues, there are a few things that make it inherently difficult for two-way speakers systems to do a good job at the lower end.
* sub-low frequencies will not be played by top end speakers, mainly because of some of the below reasons
* the lower the frequency reproduced, the higher the amp power needed (exponentially)
* the low end driver in a top end speaker has to do the low end (say 55-100Hz) and the low-mid and mid. The latter two carry a LOT of musical information. By freeing up the load (having the sub take over the part below 75-125Hz – depending on brand and model), the top end 15″ now has significantly more power to spend on a significantly smaller frequency range, the power consuming lows being removed.
* the subs can play that lower bit (35-50Hz or so) that the 15″ top ends don’t, providing the “feel it rather than hear it” punch that makes the difference between hearing the music and experiencing the music.When I do small live sound things, I am perfectly happy not bringing my sub. But for DJ-ing, I have found that the sub really adds to the experience AND makes my top ends shine even better.
February 3, 2015 at 7:05 pm #2134501Dizzle
ParticipantI agree with Dj Vintage. Go for the 2 tops and a sub.
I actually have the Mackie Thump setup you described in the OP: 2 15″ tops and 1 sub. The sound from them is amazing! I’ve used them at events with up to 150 folks with more than enough power to fill a church hall.One caveat: be wary of the Mackie thump sub. Mine blew a fuse during soundcheck during its 3rd use. The folks at Guitar Center were good about replacing the part at no cost, but they mentioned that it’s a common problem. That being said, since the fuse blowing last year, I’ve hosted 3-4 events with the gear and experienced no issue.
February 3, 2015 at 9:06 pm #2134551DJ Vintage
ModeratorDon;t know how long you have had the subs, but the new series was only introduced early last year.
February 4, 2015 at 2:06 pm #2135231Danny P
ParticipantI enjoy using my 2 behringer 15″s. The sound quality and output power are adequate for me. The weight especially is good for me. But that’s just my 2 cents.
February 15, 2015 at 8:12 pm #2140981Dizzle
ParticipantI Picked up the SRM1801 Last year around March-April. I actually just got off the phone with Guitar Center to sort out getting it to the repair shop. Waiting to hear back from a manager about getting a different unit instead since based on reviews I’ve seen on Musician’s Friend etc, the problem is common.
February 16, 2015 at 6:50 pm #2141481bob6397
ParticipantI only have praise for my pair of (new) Thump 15’s – plenty of power and pretty amazing bass considering I don’t use a sub (I don’t need to – the venue I play most of the time is a bit small for a sub at all)
I got them on a great deal just before christmas and you can still find them on great deals – just do some googling to find a decent site with them at a decent price 🙂
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