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September 4, 2012 at 5:54 am #27716
djsubculture@gmail.com
ParticipantFor what it’s worth, when I first switched to Traktor Pro, I started out with a pair of Kontrol X1s and a mixer.
September 4, 2012 at 2:59 pm #1011555rfb
MemberYeah, I mean there MUST be a reason the X1 is so widely and heavily used. Even if it starts to give in to hard use after a year, then there’s still plenty of warranty on that sh*t, right? 😀
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Faderfox controllers shipped today, Midifighter yesterday. Can’t wait 🙂September 5, 2012 at 5:44 pm #1011619rfb
MemberI got the Faderfox units today and I am impressed with them on so many levels (will try them in use tonight).
They are demo units, but feel better than any brand new NI product I laid hands on (the pots! the faders!), built in Germany, and they are smaller than I expected. Maybe close to 2/3 of the size of an X1.
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So, had a little session with FT3 and DX3. The FT3 to me is awesome, it’s amazin how much control that little thing gives you over 4 decks of traktor, with 4 FX units, looping, EQs, Filters, Browser controls… Remember, it’s smaller than the X1! When it comes to the mixer section it has much more controls than the S2 offers, and even FX units… Only with the BeauBryte (Ean Golden) Mapping can the S2 keep up due to JogFX. Impressive stuff. And funny thing is, although it uses a lot of hard modifiers and shift key, it’s kinda intuitive.The DX3 wasn’t my thing. it packs a LOT of knobs on the tiny controller, even for my small hands it felt a little crowded, and then again I don’t feel like it gives me a ton of extra controls in addition to the FT3.
So right now I can totally imagine using the FT3 (got a DJ3 underway for comparison) at the core of the setup and add a X1 or a Contour to it 🙂
September 5, 2012 at 8:22 pm #27842djsubculture@gmail.com
ParticipantOne of the reasons why I never tried a Faderfox. Too small for my large hands.
September 7, 2012 at 7:24 pm #1011799rfb
MemberHaha, fair enough!
As I said, I have comparably small hands for a male specimen of 186cm height ^^ With the FT3 it’s no issue at all the way the controller is laid out. The DJ3 is on its way and I don’t expect problems with that either.
In use the FT3 is so amazing, it feels really good and I was skeptical about the LED feedback, but it totally works. They look so stupid at first, but you can tell that a LOT of thought went into designing the hardware and the workflow.
While I’m not sure yet whether it’ll be the FT3 or DJ3 (leaning towards DJ3), it’s funny how I’ll probably end up with an X1 (over another Faderfox or the Reloop Contour), because first I didn’t like it. I looked up so many videos and reviews, forum posts etc on the Contour, that I feel I don’t even need to try it to pick the X1 over it.
I think the Contour is a GREAT controller without too much competition (capable modular controllers), especially at its pricepoint. It has its place in a lot of setups, but I guess not in mine. But for example using two Contours (one IE and one CE) and a mixer, I could totally see that work. Biggest selling point for me of the Contour would be its jogwheel. Not even because I would need one, but I’m used to them by now and sometimes they just feel like the most natural way to do stuff (like seeking through a track).
But what the X1 does better for my specific needs: First of all, you can control two decks on ONE layer. It’s not like I need to do that constantly, but I think sometimes it comes in handy. Also you can control 2 effects units at once. Paired with the Faderfox thats 3 FX units at any given time. The contour allows me one FX unit per layer. Also hotcues: X1 = 8 hotcues per deck, two decks at once (awesome for cuepoint juggling), Contour gives me 8 only with a hard toggle, so it’s 4 hotcues and just one deck.
And lastly even though I know the Contour is a great piece of hardware too, probably built a little sturdier and offering more controls OVERALL, the X1 just feels nice and familiar with the same browsing, FX pots, loop encoders etc. that I’m used to from the S2. And the Jogwheel can’t make up for that fact on its own. Contour has lots of Pro’s, but they don’t factor in for me and my wants/needs.
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September 7, 2012 at 9:57 pm #1011803rfb
MemberOnly contender to X1 at this point is K2. The K2 is built to a higher quality standard and has the audio interface built-in, saving me the Traktor Audio 2, and giving me a shitload of mapping possibilities. Would be pricier than X1 setup though, because no TP2.5 included. And a steeper learning curve, whilst the X1 is really straightforward…
Faderfox DS3 looks cool too, having a deck mode, with plenty of deck controls applyable to all 4 decks, loop and FX, 8 nice big buttons for hotcues or you can switch to sample mode, and it definitely allows for more control than the X1.
September 8, 2012 at 9:30 pm #1011869rfb
MemberWent to a cool store in my city today, and they must’ve had every controller you could think of available right now. Spent a shitload of time there 😀
So I decided on a setup finally today. It should definitely keep me more than happy (and very busy) for quite a while. But then again the cool thing about modular is, that you can just ditch a specific component if the needs change.
I was reaffirmed though that the VCI 400 EGE would be the controller of my dreams. Packs everything I need in one (not TOO big) unit, feels awesome… (they had the regular VCI 400). But even with the sale at DJTT atm for the difference in money I can get an Ableton Live license, so I’m happy with saving a few bucks 🙂
(Rly impressed with the Denon stuff too, felt awesome in use!)
Oh lol, forgot: So the new setup is the Faderfox DJ3 + NI X1 + Midifighter Classic
September 29, 2012 at 5:25 pm #1012856rfb
MemberWell, here we go again lol
After some time (and a couple of extended sessions) I came to some conclusions.
1. I didn’t buy into other people whining about a more complicated setup, because frankly it’s just some cables and not rocket sciene, BUT more devices and connections indeed means more potential sources for errors. Setting up the different controllers with their respective mappings within Traktor went fine after some short trial and error. But then the Audio 2 started bitching, fucking up my sound output, really weird. Sorted it out, but not sure why it happened.
2. The midifighter is cool, but not for me. I didn’t care to try and use it for deck controls, because I think the arcade buttons are more suited to actually trigger stuff. So I mainly used it with the DJTT Instant Gratification mapping. And while it’s fun to play around with it, I didn’t feel like it would really add something to my sets that I would actually want to throw at a crowd. It’s fun, but by no means do I need it. The 3D might be a different story, because it packs so much more functionality.
3. Having no jog wheels or touchstrips, I couldn’t really get used to. Using encoders felt like a pain in some situations, so I’d find myself using my MBP’s touchpad often. But I like to touch my computer as little as possible.
So soon enough I started to check out different all-in-one controllers again. And I actually gave the Twitch another try, never used it with Traktor before. I’ve only had it for a couple of days now, but I LOVE it! Even with just the standard mapping, haven’t tried out any other ones yet. But DAMN, haven’t had so much fun mixing in a while. The Twitch probably isn’t for everyone and not perfect either, but at this price point it’s unbeatable for me. I’ma stick with the Twitch for a while now I think 🙂
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