Not supplying track list in Mixcloud.
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May 19, 2014 at 11:17 pm #2032551
DJ Vintage
ModeratorPersonally I say imitation is the greatest compliment.
And if someone took an Armin van Buuren playlist and played it just like Armin does, he still would not be Armin.
If you are continously reinventing yourself, by the time others catch up to you, you have moved on and they will always be watery copies of the original.
I have found secrecy, protectiveness and getting upset about somebody playing “your” tracks is a waste of energy. Especially since when I play, it’s me standing in front of that crowd, not them and what’s more, playing live reading the crowd should determine your playlist, not what you posted on mixcloud or anywhere else.
And yes, a lazy DJ might find some tracks that you spent hours tracing down, but – unless you got the tracks from the artists themselves – those tracks are out there in the public domain to be found anyway.
My advice would be to focus on the positive (your own mixes) and don’t worry about what others do.
Greetinx.
May 20, 2014 at 12:06 am #2032556Alex Moschopoulos
ParticipantI don’t think it’s required, but it does help if folks are searching MixCloud via tracks.
I put full tracklists up, and timestamp my mixes. In my book it’s about the artists, not me. If my mix helped 100 kids run out and buy tunes from an artist I love/respect, then I did my job as a DJ. I helped that artist grow, and hopefully he/she will make more good tunes.
And if someone took an Armin van Buuren playlist and played it just like Armin does, he still would not be Armin.
I practically did that on my trance mix “Matrimonial Bliss“. A good chunk of the tunes were stuff I shopped off AvB’s sets, and a few were ones I found elsewhere.
In the end though, I felt that my mix didn’t sound like AvB. In all honesty, it’s hard to sound like someone (in my opinion). I used to watch many local Chicago DJs try to sound like Bad Boy Bill or Bobby D…but they couldn’t pull off their respective sounds. Instead they ended up with their own sound “inspired” by those DJs.
May 20, 2014 at 5:38 am #2032611Lamid45G
ParticipantI dont really mind at all to gave out my tracks title to other DJ’s, granted they will never have the same soul like I do, even tough they played the same tracks that I played, it will sounds different, the energy, the flow, the atmosphere
One of my friends told me its because I have this aura, lol, whataver it meansAnother way to do this, if you one of those people who cant say NO if someone requesting your track title,
is to edit the original song yourself to your liking, add here and there, cut, chop paste some stuff on it, there is article in digitaldjtips regarding make your own edit somehwere, cant remembered which article
SO, you can just tell them the title of the tracks without them knowing its your own edit,
ANd they can shazamed it all nite long too, they may found the original title of the track but not with your own remix/edit typeMay 20, 2014 at 8:19 pm #2032748Warsuit
Participant“If you are continously reinventing yourself, by the time others catch up to you, you have moved on and they will always be watery copies of the original.”
This. If someone wants to do what I did last week, let them. It takes me up to three hours a day just to go through all the new music that gets sent to me and decide what to keep and what not to keep. I have a small handful of old faves, but I play fresh material almost always. So if someone wants to know what a track is, they can have it. I’m spoiled for choice.
May 20, 2014 at 9:13 pm #2032759Terry_42
KeymasterI totally agree with Chuck and everyone should mark this day in their calendars 😉
May 20, 2014 at 9:53 pm #2032764DJ Vintage
ModeratorYes … a small step for mankind, a giant leap for Terry 😀
May 21, 2014 at 12:17 am #2032778Eliah Holiday
ParticipantThanks for the input. Yeah I’m not normally overly protective but I do spend a lot of time hunting tracks and I just wish everyone would just follow the rules on Mixcloud. Now I kinda miss those white labelled LPs, heh heh.
May 21, 2014 at 4:31 am #2032810Warsuit
ParticipantFurther to what I said earlier though…I’m just as guilty as anyone else of not always putting a tracklist on a mixtape online. For one, I can’t be bothered sometimes. I have to copy it from a text file that VDJ saves, paste it into the window in Mixcrate, edit out all the time stamps…sheesh, what, am I made of time? That’s 5 minutes I could have my headphones on sorting tracks. That and I really wish more people would just listen to a mixtape for what it is…one long continuous thing to be taken in in one sitting, greater than the sum of it’s parts. But, sadly, most people want tracklists so they can bite my style/source a good tune they can’t identify and so I went back to giving them to them. Life is hard.
May 21, 2014 at 3:09 pm #2032905Groovepunk
ParticipantThis has been a really interesting debate to follow!
I totally agree that knowing what tracks a DJ plays doesn’t allow you to replicate their performance. A DJ is much more than a tracklist or a piece of equipment.
Saying that, I can understand why DJs can be protective of their tracks. Curation is one of the DJs greatest (and most time-consuming) skills and it can be frustrating to think that someone might bypass all of that, particularly when it’s so easy to Google or Shazam a track.
Ultimately I think it’s contextual. If someone comes up to you at a gig and asks for a track name, you’re under no obligation to tell them. Posting mixes online is quite different though as providing a tracklist is often the way that sites are able to host your mix in the first place. Mixcloud and Soundcloud are prime examples of this. I see many complaints online from people who’ve had mixes pulled from Soundcloud on copyright grounds and it’s very annoying. As you know, Mixcloud gets around this by paying a royalty to the artist – which I’m all for. Plus I’m really happy to support artists by advertising their tracks for them (don’t forget, this can sometimes lead to getting exclusives from that artist).
I guess my point is that I see a tracklist as the ‘cost’ of using a distribution mechanism such as the Internet.
If you really do have a track that you want to keep secret then there’s nothing wrong with (occasionally) doing the classic ‘Artist’ = unknown/Track = ‘untitled’ trick. The OP mentioned white labels and this is basically the digital equivalent. Best to use this sparingly though, for the reasons I gave above.
GP
May 21, 2014 at 7:08 pm #2032974Eliah Holiday
ParticipantI once read up on the history of Jamaican music and how competitive sound systems were and how much secrecy and espionage was done around the music played. Back when I was a vinyl DJ I know part of what made DJs popular was the ability to drop a killer track that no one else had or was aware of. Though I didn’t get much in the way of pre-released white labels I did spend hours in the record store digging through crates for those one offs that seemed to fall under the radar. Records weren’t cheap and so there would be lots of great 12″s that just never got much if any exposure because DJs had only so much cash to spend which tended to go towards the sure-fire dancefloor bangers. For me if it sounded good I played it, didn’t matter who or what. Hell, I was one of the few DJs in my area and time that had an extensive French House collection that made me stand out from other DJs.
I think what annoyed me in particular as of late was a DJ who copped one of my mix’s image graphic, called his mix the same, even tried to use the same font, then put up his mix without a tracklist.
May 22, 2014 at 4:43 pm #2033159Casie Lane
ParticipantOWWWWW!
Eliah, This guy sounds like that movie Single White Female!
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