New mixer (Denon DN-X600) lesson learned
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March 19, 2016 at 2:34 pm #2372081
DJ Vintage
ModeratorI am a big Denon fan, so you won’t hear any bad-mouthing Denon from me 😀
What I can say however that the market for regular (even midi supporting) mixers is fading (and rather quickly). That is why it’s a steal. Most people have or will move(d) to all-in-one controllers (or their modular brethren). When playing out they will use club standard gear which still bears the Pioneer logo most of the time.
So good for you that you are happy with your choice and what you describe as pretty straightforward drop-mixing (not judging, just saying) allows you to do it that way.
At the end of the day it’s what works for YOU that is important. If you are happy/confident with your gear, you can make it work to bring the audience what they expect. Who are we (or anybody else) to fault you for that.
If you ask me honestly if it’s a setup I’d ever recommend to a DJ off the bat, I’d have to say no.
For me personally, not having transport buttons (Play/Cue) would already be a dealbreaker, as would doing all that stuff with my fingers on the laptop keyboard all night long.
March 19, 2016 at 9:29 pm #2372101Todd Oddity
ParticipantX600s are a steal because they are a discontinued product, not because of fading market for two channel battle style mixers. That’s a mixer market that continues to see sales and new product development – in no small part because of a recent resurgence in turntables. That being said, the 600 is a super piece of kit and awesome that you got one for such a good price. I have two X1600s (the four channel version of the 600) and love them like they were my children!
While I do agree that much of the marketplace is heading towards the all-in-ones, a solid mixer at the core of a modular system may take a tad more time to set up, but lets you add and subtract anything you may need or not need for a specific show. You should be happy with your investment for quite some time. If you ever see an SC2000 grab it up, it gives you transport controls, a beautiful long pitch fader and a small, but highly responsive jog. It’s also discontinued, but they pop up from time to time at fantastic prices (I got four of them for $95 each last spring from a warehouse clearing inventory).
March 20, 2016 at 1:07 pm #2372201DJ Vintage
ModeratorI can add whatever I want to my SX2. Or if I already had an MCX8000 I could play it without anything (including laptop) attached or with DVS, regular vinyl, two more controllers, CDJs. I don’t see the added value in a midi-supporting 2-channel mixer. The only place those still have a serious role to play, imho, (without the midi btw) is in the area you justly identified, vinyl/scratch. But even with a resurgence of turntables (and the advent of HD vinyl), I am pretty confident that this will never (again) become the mainstay of DJ-ing. It will, therefor, stay in a niche. It can be a sizable niche and certain hardware vendors may continue to produce and even develop products there, but if you take a look at all the major mainstream DJ gear producers, it’s pretty evident that for every “traditional” mixer they produce/develop several controllers (all-in-one or modular). The modular mixers are nothing like the X600, but are purely the mixer parts of all-in-ones.
I had an X1600 too, with two SC2900s for a while. Let’s say I got them in addition to my controller setup and for sentimental reasons. At the end of the day, I found too many things missing from my workflow as I had gotten used to with my MC6000 and the gear too bulky, too cumbersome to lug around (my DJ coffin for that set was huge). I traded it for my current DDJ-SX and haven’t looked back since.
Clearly, as we have stated here many times before, if it works for YOU, that’s the most important if not the only criterium.
March 20, 2016 at 10:17 pm #2372381Todd Oddity
ParticipantWell Vintage, yes you can add more to your SX2 setup, but a show comes along and all you need is a two channel mixer and some basic transport controls. Short of a chainsaw, you aren’t making your SX2 any smaller! 😉 With my collection of modular gear I can throw on SC2000 and an AMX in my laptop bag and go. There is always going to be more flexibility in modular than with all-in-ones – that’s just the nature of being able to add and subtract what you need. But it comes at a cost of setup time and I fully acknowledge that. For a typical show, where you need the typical things, an all-in-one is quicker to setup and lighter to move.
Despite how it comes across on here – I’m not against the all-in-ones, I just throw out a lot of modular advice when people already have pieces of equipment and are looking for ways to get more use out of it. Easier to build on what you have than to hit the reset button and start again – especially if you like what you already have!
March 21, 2016 at 4:48 am #2372421DJ Tucker
ParticipantIm definitely gonna have to disagree that mixers are going to fade away. I’ve been using nice all-in-ones for 4 years and I ended up seeking out a proper mixer so I could have more flexible input options. At the time, the only affordable option I could find with a built-in sound card was the 23C. After using it for awhile, I really wanted some more effects and then was flabbergasted to realize that this Denon mixer had everything I was looking for and its been out there since 2010 or 2011, crazy! I actually bought a Stanton t.92 so I can use timecode vinyl. I just plugged the USB into my computer and set up a timecode channel in VDJ. I mix a song in then clone it to the other deck and keep it moving. At the top 40 gig where I do all the drop mixing it’s a bit frustrating just using the keyboard but I picked up a KB keyboard cover that corresponds with my DJ program. I think for my style, I’m much more into manipulating the up-faders than the tempo faders when I mix anyway. I’m succumbing to the anti-controller hate by switching to timecode and a proper mixer but that’s what’s popular in the clubs no matter how much nicer life is with a good controller like the MC4000.
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