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  • #44011
    DJ Vintage
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    Hey Jack,

    You know, if you are not producing professionally, in which case you have many expectation to contend with, then you can improve your setup with some small things, but at the end of the day most of these (pseudo)acoustic insulation things are bogus.

    Good speakers and good speaker placement (not just compared to the place you plan to sit, but the actual place you are gonna sit) is way more important. Close to the wall, a little further away from the wall (better = more room behind the monitors), sitting on the narrow or wide wall of a room, if there is glass that can’t be covered, where is it in relationship to your monitors, etx. Lot’s of choices to make that can have major impact on the sound quality of your production space that have nothing to do with sticking egg cartons on the wall (useless), acoustic tiling the room (also useless unless you plan on spending 100K+ on a totall rebuild) and Skylining your ceiling (which looks nice and IS effective, but unless you make it yourself is pretty expensive).

    Let me do a real quick 101 on acoustic room treatment. There are two factors involved:
    1) Insulation. This serves two purposes, keeping your sound IN the room and external noise OUT of the room. Insulation has very little to do with the resulting acoustic qualities of the room. Insulation can be achieved effectively by only two things, preferably in combination, namely mass (concrete and lots of it is a great sound insulator :)) and total disconnection (room in a room). No foam (no mass) or anyother “stick it on the wall for a miracle effect” solution is gonna help seriously with insulation.
    2) Acoustic treatment. This serves to make the room as acoustically neutral as possible. NOT DEAD! You do not want to get rid of your room reverb. Mixing in a dead room is really eerie lol. What you DO want is to have a near flat frequency response at you ear level when you send out white noise from you monitors. Near flat, because +/- 6dB fluctuation is considered acceptable for home studio use. Things you want to worry about are standing waves (especially with the low frequencies), which is waves reflecting off hard surfaces and cancelling out part of the original sound, causing “holes” or dips in your frequency chart. The other is strong reflections that DON’T cancel out but reinforce certain frequencies (usually with higher frequenciesbut can happen in the lows as well) causing “bumps” or spikes in the curve. There are some relatively simple and somewhat effective measures you can take at home without breaking the bank totally. But expect some serious investment nevertheless. There is no 50-dollar fix for doing a room. For the low end you can buy some “bass-traps”. The are designed to suck up the original sound and preventing it from bouncing back out and do their cancellation or reinforcing. Corners of the room are an obvious place for them and for the rest lots of trial and measure. The high end excess can be helped by covering up hard surfaces (especially glass which is a veritable sound mirror) with, preferably heavy and thick, curtains. If need be hang them over other other walls too if you feel the are too reflective.

    So what is the home studio owner to do. Step one is put your desk in the place you want it and preferably have everything else in the room in it’s place to as it all contributes to the acoustics of the room. Set up your speakers to hit your ears at the exact place (perfect triangle with your head in the front tip, speakers firing down slightly, the tweeters aimed straight at your ears) and have them sit on some acoustic foam (the only true cheap and effective tool). Make sure you have heavy speaker stands (remember mass = insulation) as well and if you don’t buy floor stands that sit on a concrete floor (but wood for example) you can put the entire stand on an acoustic foam pad as well. Now toss in your favorite CD, the one you have heard so much on so many different sound systems that you know how it should sound by heart. LISTEN!

    Seriously, this will tell you if a room is bass-heavy (boomy) or bass-light and if there is serious reverb/echo or if the room is overly bright (too much highs) and sounds harsh or dull (too little highs)

    If it sounds good to your ears, the room is probably not so bad. Listen for holes in the low end (are bass instruments missing or less prominent than you remember them to be on this track?) and specific areas higher up that seem to be too strong (harsher sound than you’d expect). And listen for unnatural reverb (going towards echo that you know is not in the track). Try putting your desk in a different position if you are not happy with the sound. Move it further from the wall it faces or even another spot in the room (usuall if the room is not square it is wise to start sitting at the narrow end). Once you figured that out and want a more scientific approach, buy/borrow/rent a good Real Time Analyzer with a test mic. set the test mic where your head would be and run some white noise through your speaker (you’ll have to calibrate by having the mic straight in front of you speakers first, to compensate for any frequency irregularities in the speakers). The graph on the RTA now shows where there are spikes and dips in the frequency curve.
    Now you know what area’s you might want to treat. Remember if it is within a + and – 6dB of flat, don’t worry about it too much. After treatment (like placing a bass trap) measure again. Keep doing this till you get it as good as you can with the modest means at you disposal. Know that your room now probably sounds better than 95% of the places where people listening to your music will be in (cars, living room, etx.).

    Lot of text, but this is pretty complex matter. You can find much more detail online if you feel like reading up more. I oversimplified a few things, but the essence is correct:
    1) Get good gear (RoKit are pretty much the defacto standard for home studio use. 6’s have the best ratio volume/bass/price of the 2-6-8 series).
    2) Pick the right spot in the room
    3) Use your ears first
    4) Use technical aids, like RTA with white noise generator
    5) Experiment with placement of your listening position
    6) Treat the room with some low end solutions like heavy curtains and bass traps

    Unless you plan on getting a pro-grade soundcard, don’t worry about it and use the S2. There really isn’t that much difference in quality. It’s a 24-bit sound card, so should work for your purpose.

    Keyboards are plenty. Yamaha, Korg, Akai, E-mu, Ion, you name them. They all have budget models. Things to watch for are touch-sensitive keys (semi-weighted is a nice bonus), pitch bend wheel, the more buttons and knobs the better. Some will have trigger pads which is also a nice bonus to have. Couple of short faders can be helpful too, depending on what they can be mapped to.

    Shop online, then try to look and FEEL! your favorites at a local musician shop. It’s a personal matter really.

    Hope that helps.

    Greetinx,
    C.

    #44017
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Holy mother of walls of texts… but … I agree. 😉

    #44019
    henley
    Participant

    great post

    #44020
    jbhski10@gmail.com
    Participant

    Thank you very much guys! I dont really have the ability to move the desk in the room but I could try a different room….I doubt the sound accoustics in the room will be good though down there. This is definatly not going to be easy because it is tough to put floor stands for my monitors due to my desk shape but I can probably find a way to make it work.

    Thanks again,

    Jack hoesterey

    #44024
    henley
    Participant

    Is it really a bad idea to place monitors on the desk (using foam pads)?

    #44029
    jbhski10@gmail.com
    Participant

    henley, post: 44181, member: 8952 wrote: Is it really a bad idea to place monitors on the desk (using foam pads)?

    Hmm I am actually wondering the same thing

    #44037
    Stazbumpa
    Participant

    No it’s not a bad thing as a rule. For production purposes the tweeters need to be in line with your ears, so it depends on how much higher off the table the foam pads (good idea to have) put the monitors in relation to your chair with you sat in it. Ideally the monitors should form an equilateral triangle with one apex meeting just behind your head. I’m using Adam A7 monitors by the way, seriously worth investigating.

    Just my tuppence on the subject 🙂

    #44038
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Actually directly on a big desk, I would not do it. However if you try to decouple from the desk seriously some nice self made desk stands help. I made some from Ikea shelfs to which I attached feet about 8” (they are actually from an Ikea Kitchen shelf) and put decoupling rubber feet from “Teufel Germany” on it. Then placed some decoupling foam on top of it and on there sit my monitors. I checked it with some borrowed lab equipment from our local university and there is no vibration or movement in my desk whatsoever.

    #44042
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Oh well, I guess a wall of text is not enough to satisfy ya’lls thirst for knowledge.

    On the stand issue the following.

    First off: I said if you CAN, buy floor stands, (there is actually a stand model that requires you to make a round 50mm or so hole in your desk, through which you can pass the upright of the stand, then stick the top shelf on). If you can’t buy/fit floor stands, at the very least use acoustic foam (Auralex) under them. The idea is to prohibited the transfer of sound (mainly bass) to the table, which would then potentially resonate and we don’t want that to happen. Rubber decoupling feet would obviously work too as Terry pointed out. Just make sure those are purpose-built and not your regular home depot kind of stuff.

    I custom-made my stands from scratch:

    It’s just MDF cut to size. The trick though is that it is a hollow stand, it is filled with very fine sand, about 2 1/2 kilo per stand, added to the weight of the wood. The sand also dampens vibrations wanting to pass through it.

    The Auralex foam is pre-cut to have a slight slant (you actually get an extra foam inlay if you want them tilted more.

    Greetinx,
    C.

    #44054
    Lamid45G
    Participant

    Was wondering, what other kind of speakers, if its not for production, say for DJ studio, to practice mixing and such

    Jack Hoesterey, post: 44160, member: 2483 wrote:
    What I need your advise on: A good but cheap 49-61 midi keyboard,

    I had M-Audio Pro Axiom-61, cost around 200 dolla, it integrated very well with Ableton & Logic, a lot of knobs , a mini drum-pads ,its pretty decent keyboard for the budgeted price

    #44060
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Just to make sure here are pictures of the feet I used and the insulation pads I used…

    #44069
    henley
    Participant

    I’m looking at creating a little studio space, but floor stands aren’t really feasible due to the space, which is why I asked the question. Got some pads to go underneath the speakers so will try and rig up some shelves. Can probably get hold of some Soborthane feet which should do the trick.

    Thanks for your help.

    #44733
    bru
    Participant

    The adams mentioned above are good monitors as are sonodynes. the university I go to use M-audio axiom 49’s which work well and have semi-weighted keys but I`m looking at the axiom pro 61 for home as it offers more controls.

    #44741
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Yep, can’t go wrong with the Adams, Focals, Sonodynes.

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